That's when you say, "I don't know why son, but I do know that God sees you when you touch it."
That's when you say, "I don't know why son, but I do know that God sees you when you touch it."
Deputy Neil Gardner (the SRO) was on lunch watching the kids in the smoking area just off property. He responded to the back of the school and exchanged fire with Eric Harris. The deputy fired 4 shots, Harris fired 10... If i remember it was about 67 yards and an up hill batte. Gardner grazed the magazine on Harris' gun... Harris spun and fell, Gardner though he hit him, Harris reloaded, and ran inside the school... When Gardner advised he was going in, he was told to stand down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batteriesnare
Also Dep. Paul Smoker fired 3 rounds at Harris moments after that when he arrived to back Gardner up and was fired on from the set of double doors that Harris had entered.
Just keeping the facts straight... There was no "running to his car and hiding". The beat cops definitely tried to do their job, it was the admin that choked.
Dude. You are in highschool. Please punctuate more than once!Quote:
Originally Posted by centerpoint
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Originally Posted by Stuart
GlockShooter - Let me just say that I'm very happy to hear that your daughter is safe.
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Originally Posted by Glock Shooter
Agreed. Call the News! Sadly, YOU trying to get changes made to improve the security of the children or for anything else in a public school will result in a great deal of frustration on your part and absolutely no progress. When the News gets involved, things tend to happen. this is primarily due to the fact that the School Board is aware that bad press translates into voters turning down tax increases to fund the schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by refryguy
I believe that someone already mentioned this, but most K-5 schools don't have an SRO.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
I could explain it until I'm blue in the face, but until you have your own children you just won't get how absolutely horrifying these events are. When you see your children faced with anything that could potentially harm them, your heart stops, your blood turns to ice, and time stands still. Every day we hear of some child disappearing or someone doing the unthinkable to a child. There are many who honestly believe that these events aren't actually happening any more than they ever have, but it's just getting more exposure. I believe both are true. We are becoming an increasingly violent and dangerous society. I for one would have rather have been a paranoid parent than the parent of a child whose naked, beaten and violated body was found in a shallow grave in a nearby ditch.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamhunter
As others have said, not locking the children IN, but others OUT. I never had a problem with checkpoints at the doors of my childrens schools and having to sign in and get badged (even getting escorted to where I was going).Quote:
Originally Posted by iamhunter
Many doors at most schools have the same type of doors that movie theaters have - anyone can leave, but the doors are locked to those outside and there are no handles on the outside of the doors to pull the doors open with.
That statement is fairly naive as school districts ARE officially considered the experts over your own children; they DO have more power over your children.Quote:
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As far as "strip searches" (I did not quote that comment), school officials can legally do just short of that already. In fact, some schools HAVE performed strip searches of children and gotten nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
It's not the authorized individuals, such as the students, that we are especially concerned with, it's those who DON'T belong who can get in, abduct a child, and get back out without anyone even knowing they were ever there.
No, I do not yet have children. But I can empathize with how terrifying it can be facing the terrible things that go on in this world...Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
I also realize how people's fascination with such crime ( in a horrific sort of way) makes it seem more looming and prevalent than it probably is.
That's not to say its not safer to err on the side of "paranoia", but I think it's important to realize that giving the schools to much power to "protect" your children could create it's own monster.
I mean how would you feel if your 14 daughter came home and had been wrongfully strip searched by the school staff?
Or if you found out the schools had been spying on your family via webcam?
or if your 16 year old son was charged with felony theft for something he didn't do?
I don't propose to have a perfect solution, just trying to encourage discussion on both sides of the fence.
More rule and regulation means more power. And that's not always a good thing.
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Originally Posted by Stuart
The fun of teaching!! You say, "I don't know, but let's figure it out together."
Referring to my 55gr bullets... Don't know, I just pulled numbers out the air to make a point... wasn't trying to be accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
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Originally Posted by SA Friday
"You're becoming a man son... Go grab a beer."
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The way I kinda look at it is most guys on this forum including me do not trust the gooberment with their money, guns, rights, or best interest, why would you trust them with your children?
Thanks again for everyone's thoughts on this matter. I have a meeting early next week with the head of district security, a senior supervisor with the Boulder Valley School District, and the Principal. I'll let you know what becomes of our talk.