So... looks like Tancredo is entering the race for governor

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

You're right...it is basically the same as not voting. You're wrong by saying in either case it's not "giving a vote to Hick" and "you're bad at math".

Here's the example:

You have a voting pool of 100 people. Your candidates are Hickenlooper, Tancredo and Republican candidate.

After the election, with many people pissed at the "R" candidate, here's what you have:

Hick - 45 votes
Republican - 39 votes
Tancredo - 16 votes

I'll be generous and say that only 75% of the Tancredo voters would have otherwise voted for the Republican candidate (I seriously doubt many liberals are going to vote for Tancredo, no matter how pissed they are at the democrat party). If you split that vote 75% for the Republican and 25% for Hickenlooper, here's what you have:

Republican - 51 votes
Hick - 49 votes

You also have a governor who will most likely be closer to your beliefs than the other guy.

It's not bad math. It's reality.

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sometimes bad math is reality :-P
you've actually proved my point- or do you prefer to say it's bad English to say "the SAME as a vote for Hick"?

it's an idiom, but it's not fact.. in your example, at best a vote for Tancredo would be 3/4 of a vote for Hick.. you may think I'm splitting hairs...

Believe me, I understand the logic- and in past & current political climates, it applies... but the current political climate is leading us to ruin.. something radical has to change...

I'm not a Tancredo supporter, either- saw him on Fox news... wasn't impressed with how unprepared he was.

but the choices in the GOP primary:
McInnis: he's a former congressman (strike one), a lawyer (I'll call that a draw), admitted to plagiarism (strike two), and tried to weasel out of it by blaming a researcher (strike three)

Maes: I'd like to believe he'd be a good governor, but I'm not sure he can keep his hand out of the cookie jar, and his resume is a bit light for a Gubernatorial candidate (no, I don't want a career politician, but it lacks detail, and simply doesn't seem like he has enough experience leading to convince me he can be a good Governor).

I'm all around disappointed with the choices- seems to be a recurring theme in politics lately

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Originally Posted by 68Charger

in your example, at best a vote for Tancredo would be 3/4 of a vote for Hick..

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Regardless if you count it as 1 vote or 3/4 of a vote...it puts Hickenlooper in office.

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Originally Posted by 68Charger

I'm not a Tancredo supporter, either- saw him on Fox news... wasn't impressed with how unprepared he was.

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Just curious...who do you support for governor? I'm hoping it's Maes, myself. But I'm thinking unless something really drastic happens the republican party leadership in Colorado has screwed the pooch again and it's the conservatives, what's left of 'em, that will suffer.

The only way I see a republican getting into office is if McInnis, Maes and Tancredo are off the table. The party appoints Jane Norton to fill the republican governor candidate spot. I think she can beat Hickenlooper. Norton certainly wouldn't be my first choice and I think for the most part it would be business as usual with big politics in the governor's seat. But, she'd be a damned sight better than Hickenlooper...especially if the republicans pick up a few seats in the legislature. And who else is there?

I think Norton will lose to Buck in the primary anyway.

OK...I see your edits and that you possibly favor Maes, too. And I agree about the overall poor choices in elections.

But let's face it...I don't think most people go into politics for anything other than the power and influence it affords them.

And if those things are what's important to a person, I'm probably not going to care much for them anyway.

the more I think about it- the more I think Maes is the biggest gamble- but there's a chance he'll be better than that others... Hick & McInnis aren't a gamble- you know they'll suck.. Tancredo is less of a gamble, but there are things I don't like about him, either... and he looked like a buffoon in that interview on Fox.

Maes' mostly likely fail would be ineffectiveness.. possibly more black eyes for the GOP if he doesn't behave himself, and winds up in another scandal..

On the other hand, a guy like Maes is sort of exactly what we're talking about. Not a "business as usual" candidate and not a politcal insider. Let's face it...that's exactly what every other candidate, on both sides, represents. He wouldn't be my first choice...but he's the one I'd choose outta the choices available.