Like I aid, it's here say.
Gun Sport CO is one of my favorite places. There are hippies, cowboys, miners and nar du wells in there. Custom skeet to EBRs in the same place.
To me that is the reality.
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Like I aid, it's here say.
Gun Sport CO is one of my favorite places. There are hippies, cowboys, miners and nar du wells in there. Custom skeet to EBRs in the same place.
To me that is the reality.
Amen Brother!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Nlb_qRoeg
Yeah, you never know who you will see in that place.. I work in construction and have worked in many high end homes in Boulder. If people only knew what their neighbors had. Gun ownership of all kinds is pretty widespread in Boulder, that's all I can say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ah Pook
Progressive gun grabbers don't think that they know anyone with guns. I try to stay 'gray' about it, but I have been getting lipier especialy since the recent Denver stuff. Before that, one of my kids friends dad came up at a school function and just said "You're a gun guy, right?". He's pretty perceptive, but I didn't tell him that anytime he's seen me with pants on I was carrying.....Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
It is all about 'red-neck cleansing'. In the recent Denver mag stuff, I was told to move out of town since I wasn't the kind of person that needed to be here.
Do we need to shut down highways?
Let me put this out there. Boulder, you are fucked. What I want to talk about now is how to get fucked the least. I catch a lot of hell for it, but I am all about reducing the damage as much as you can for as long as you can till SCOTUS finally puts the red line down. I understand that some people want the issue more than reducing the damage- that is a strategy, one that usually is paid in checks written and not paid for by the people advocating free-machine guns or nothing. Dudley do-nothing good is a prime example.
I was just thinking about the law proposed. If you look at is closely, they agree with our main premise- it isn't the gun it is the person; they allow LEOs and NFA and sportsman(?) to have them- so they are saying that there are legitimate reasons to own these- and that the issue is who- not what - people have. So the disagreement is where that line is. We say that baring any reason why we can't have an AR (we have had UBGC for 5 years, so everyone is vetted or has not been an issue for five years), we shouldn't penalize law abiding people. They move that line to the left of that.
So what do you have to do to impress a majority on the council to vote for the least damaging law? I don't know where that is. Maybe making the argument that getting the mag limit extended for the NFA/LEO/Sportsman and seeing where that goes? I'd appeal to the libertarian aspects of Boulder and couch that as a balanced (I know some of you pucked in your mouth, I did too) response and see how that works out. There is a perverse balance between what they pass and what might pass legal challenge. If it is really draconian you might get a better outcome- maybe. By using logic and reason on them they may back off and make it less likely to be successfully challenged.
It's better to count votes than to count bullets. I know it wasn't much, but Denver's Councilman Flynn had a majority of votes to at least allow 15+rnd mags in your house, until the deal fell through at the last minute. That wasn't much, I know, but there were people pushing for 0 round limits.
That and we need to focus on local races more. The fed level stuff is a Phony War. States and cities are where they are trying to make their gains- and they are winning there.
It's a shit sandwhich. The question is how big a bite are we going to have to take? I'd like to take as small as I can until SCOTUS draws the line. That is politics.
Guys...we need to go back to old tactics. Start the recall process. Not just in Boulder but the state reps like the 3 who we removed previously. Don't stop with the person removed...remove their replacements till the point gets across that we will keep at them till this ends.
I found this article about Tom Carr.... dude is a jackass (as if we didn't know that already).Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
http://www.boulderweekly.com/news/a-...k-at-tom-carr/
I like this. All they give a shit about is being re/elected and feeling important. Hit them where it hurts.Quote:
Originally Posted by WETWRKS
I haven't been to a range since I moved here, but I have 20 acres... There is a state law that with at least 10 acres, the county can't make a law forbidding you from shooting as long as you keep it on your property.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ah Pook
But yes, not a lot of public land to be mismanaged and then catch fire... (public lands have disadvantages, too.)
The whole needing an LTC to open carry a handgun is BS for sure... but an improvement over verboten. Property rights take precident, but in Rural areas 30.06 signs are rare... 30.07 aren't so rare (open carry ban)
FTF sales are still private, no mag limits...
Right on!Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeandSugar
Latest news from a council member that I ran into last night out on the town is that Carr was trying to use the California definition of pistol grip which is defines a pistol grip as a grip that lowers more than some measured distance from the centerline of the bore or something like that so in many instances regular stocked rifles would be considered to have pistol grips. This member was not on board with that and has been doing some research and has acknowledge that Australia never really had any gun crime before their ban and it hasn't changed much since. This member has been doing a lot of research and is now moving away from the ban as written and is pushing towards a ban on bump stocks and trigger rate devices only and sending any kind of a ban to vote as a ballot initiative where it will likely die.
This sounds like pretty good news. Are the other council members getting cold feet as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Looks like the thorsden stocks are going to become popular in Boulder
I did get one response so far. My email was implying that the decision was made and we are just going through the formalities.
Hello Mike,
Let me be very clear. We DID NOT pass the ban, I would not have voted for it if that had been the case. The news paper was not clear, but I want you to know, the only reason Council voted to approve the first reading was so we could discuss the ban at a future date. The public comment ended at 11:15 and Council thought it best to have this discussion when our brains were fresh.
I am hoping this proposal will instead get put on a ballot measure for people to vote on, rather than Council choosing it for the people.
Best,
Mirabai Nagle
Boulder City Council
If this is the case. Sounds like they're hoping the same NEVER TRUMP / RESIST people come out in force to vote D, they get enough Yes votes for a ban. This way they can say "the People of Boulder Voted" for the ban. .Quote:
Originally Posted by Blowby
Dudley has an interesting perspective.
Saying that if Boulder is allowed to claim home rule exemption, then pro-gun cities can turn around and do the same with regards to the magazine ban.
http://www.9news.com/mobile/article/.../73-536113594?
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Originally Posted by CoGirl303
Not Dudleys idea.. Dudley showed up to get his name on the list tonspeak and wasn't anywhere to be seen when his name was called.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoGirl303
There is no support for this in Boulder, if this goes to ballot it is dead. This is a face saving move for the council.
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Maybe a few of the Moms Who Demand Hot Action will support it...Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Half of the Moms that showed up weren't even from Boulder as far as I could tell. I think certain members of the council have realized they have gotten themselves in over their heads and are now looking for a way out. There are at least two that we know of that are openly telling people they think it should go to ballot. Their inboxes are being blown up and they know their emails along with the speakers at the meeting the other night are heavily against this. Everyone needs to keep the pressure on.Quote:
Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
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Who would have thought Boulder is the one that loves with country and Denver is the sell out politicians?
sent them an email as well even though I don't live in Boulder. Thanks for the addresses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blowby
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boul...ult-weapon-ban
Finally getting some comments about putting it to a vote in public. Would it make any difference in terms of state preemption if it was passed by the council vs. passed by a vote?
Boulder being a home rule city I don’t believe it would make a difference. Also there’s supposed to be an event called “Rally For Our Rights” in Boulder on Saturday from 1p-3p in the park at Broadway and Canyon. I think it’s the same folks that organized the one in Longmont a week or so ago? Can’t link from fb on cell.
Daily camera has it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc45
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_31809686
I'm for sure going to be there. Can't decide if I want to open carry or not though. Leaning towards not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc45
Open carry is legally problematic in most city and county park/open space areas along the Front Range.
Go concealed.
Yeah, I was reading the Boulder municipal code in regards to open carry and I couldn't really find anything that explicitly said it was ok. Plus, for public perception reasons I will be going concealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
Some additional info gleaned from a little birdie...
As expected, the ordnance does not apply to non-city residents in vehicles passing through Boulder with legally owned firearms or magazines of any type, no matter what they do in Boulder- just keep your stuff in your car.
As expected, the ordinance does not apply to persons carrying any legal handgun on a concealed carry permit. So your G17 with pre-6/13 17 rd mags are fine. Your AR pistol in a backpack with lawfully owned 30 rd mags would be fine.
Here is the kicker- They are looking at adding an exemption for anyone with a Colorado honored concealed carry permit from the entire ordnance. This would be a way for current gun owning Boulder city residents (many of whom probably already have their permit) to continue business as usual. The Sheriff's permit office would get real busy, but that's another discussion.
Your thoughts?
Still bullshit, and unenforceable under the current CRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
So CCW holders are exempt from everything, including registration? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
I am still against any regulation that infringes, but this certainly makes living in Boulder more palatable. You shouldn't have to pay $152 to exercise a right. I did, but that was because I wanted to carry a concealed handgun if I choose to.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
So they're softening you up by making it a toothless law...
It is still a major win for them if it passes, even if it does absolutely nothing about what its supposed "intent" is. The true intent (read: Long Game) is to backdoor ALL gun owners of their rights. Future efforts will not be toothless. Incrementalism and normalization is their forte.
No a fan of making people pay to access essential liberties, but that door has already been beaten open.
This is what they did in my home state of CT. You need a permit there to buy ammo or even a 22 rifle which, including the training requirements can run up to 2-300 dollars and 60 days of waiting after submitting your paperwork. Pistol permit there became the defacto all around "gun permit" there.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxy
so does that apply to only current permit holders as sort of a "grandfather clause situation" or will they allow new permit holders to be exempt after it passes as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
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My understanding it would be for current and future permit holders. For what its worth, they like the additional "vetting" of the permit process, and realize that people with permits are not the ones to be worried about. Again, this is their thought process, not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoGirl303
That is going to displace a lot of homeless/transients/beggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc45
It’s all bull shit in the end.. Don’t settle for anything but nothing. I have been in regular contact with one of the members here and the fact that many of them are back peddling shows that there is zero support for this in town, yes even in Boulder, they know it, and that putting this to a public ballot is a way for them to save face.
The city council member with the most votes at 5000 or so was Sam Weaver.. out of 80,000 people that voted in the last election. If people cared about the city council they would all easily be voted out by the actual number of firearms owners in Boulder which I believe to be higher than the national average. There should be close to 45,000 people voting for gun rights in Boulder if not more,
As for open carry protest.. I’m not for it. Any form of open carry protest will be portrayed by the media as a bunch of crazy gun nuts not unlike the Home Depot Tikki torch carriers of the fatal march a few months back in Virginia or whatever.
If you want to portray what we are as being law abiding regular next door neighbor people then that’s what you need to show, there is a large group of people that are indifferent out there that could be swayed either way.. the crazy rifle carrying guys or the people that look just like them..
As for the exemptions of certain groups of people goes.. the exemption would allow you to buy/sell prohibited items but you would still need to put your name in the registry.. those not on the exemption list would be on the registry and not be able to buy any additional exempted items.
Exemption or not you are still subject to putting your name on a list. I will not put my name on a list. A list only leads to future discrimination or confiscation. It opens you to danger whether it be a public/business/social black list or a way for a random person to Dox or Swat you.
It all sounds like a lot of back peddling and attempts to save face. I surmise there is way more "back door" communication occuring between the council and various Boulder power brokers who happen to be gun owners. Grano is probably dumfounded on why her "no brainier" ordinance is proving to be just that- she has no clue other her set of official issue gun control talking points.