NYC SUV driver attacked by Group of Motorcycle Riders

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Originally Posted by th3w01f

Trying out the new Mellow Mushroom in Loan Tree and my wife and I were having a very quiet conversation about this. The manager (blonde guy with a goatee) who was standing by our table jumped into our conversation to say that his friend was one of the riders and that they were justified in attacking the guy in the RR.

This lead to a brief argument bud I dropped it since I'm here with my wife and kids. I don't think we'll be back to this restaurant.

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Report that manager to the owner, I bet he'll be an ex-manager.

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Originally Posted by roberth

Report that manager to the owner

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Sooner, not later.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Translation: ruthabagah has painted himself into a corner and refuses to accept that fact.

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Exactly. It's pretty amusing now. I actually wanna see how far he'll take it.

I know it’s not Colorado, but here’s what Colorado law would have to say if the SUV driver started shooting:

Doesn’t matter how it started, the SUV tried to break off the encounter by driving away (several times - thank you video) and therefore is no longer the initial aggressor. The bikes pursue, thereby becoming the initial aggressor(s). A biker put the SUV driver in fear for his life (and his wife and child – make no mistake of the power of that in court) by breaking the window. At this point the SUV driver would be fully justified to shoot in self-defense.

I believe that someone earlier on in the note said as a biker he’d start shooting back at the SUV in self-defense. The problem is that the video clearly establishes the bikers as the initial aggressors. You’d go to jail because if you were still there at the end you were just one of the mob pursuing the SUV and as an initial aggressor (at this point) can make no claim to self-defense.

Lessons to be learned - if you're wronged, phone it in. Follow if you dare, but don't approach. Wait for the police. Lastly, if you're part of a mob that starts getting ugly, leave.

O2

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Originally Posted by O2HeN2

I know it’s not Colorado, but here’s what Colorado law would have to say if the SUV driver started shooting:

Doesn’t matter how it started, the SUV tried to break off the encounter by driving away (several times - thank you video) and therefore is no longer the initial aggressor. The bikes pursue, thereby becoming the initial aggressor(s). A biker put the SUV driver in fear for his life (and his wife and child – make no mistake of the power of that in court) by breaking the window. At this point the SUV driver would be fully justified to shoot in self-defense.

Yessir!

I believe that someone earlier on in the note said as a biker he’d start shooting back at the SUV in self-defense. The problem is that the video clearly establishes the bikers as the initial aggressors. You’d go to jail because if you were still there at the end you were just one of the mob pursuing the SUV and as an initial aggressor (at this point) can make no claim to self-defense.

Lessons to be learned - if you're wronged, phone it in. Follow if you dare, but don't approach. Wait for the police. Lastly, if you're part of a mob that starts getting ugly, leave.

O2

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Originally Posted by jim

Yo Johnny.

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/116639-...than-15-rounds

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My bad. i looked before i posted but was in a hurry before i left for work. I will look harder next time.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Translation: ruthabagah has painted himself into a corner and refuses to accept that fact.

Fine, you gave the benefit of the doubt but much much more information has come to light about this case since then and it dashes that benefit of doubt to pieces. Bikers were asshats, Range Rover driver was in the right and acted prudently and other than the mistake of getting off the freeway until he saw police did nothing wrong.

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You see, in this corner there is soapbox, and I am standing on it to clearly state what I have been stating all along: we do not have the full picture. Who started it? Why was RR guy chased like that? There is no fact for me to accept, until the clear evidences are presented.

I guess we will let justice follow due process and see what happen.

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Originally Posted by kidicarus13

The second video is a great example of a roving gang with a mob mentality in good economic times (considering they're riding motorized vehicles). When a similar style gang comes looking for your food caches and items of value because their gov't checks are no longer being printed, I'd suggest you have more than a box of 50rds of ammo handy.

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I agree totally with this. when it is really life or death what would a mob mentality be?

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Originally Posted by ruthabagah

Who started it?

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I'm going to have to go out on a limb here, and say that the Horde of Asshats that showed no regard for the law, were most likely the ones who also instigated the issue.

It mobs mentality. They figured that since their numbers were large enough, they could do what they wanted and suffer no repercussions. One Thug Life All-Star learned the hard way.

Its been said here many, many times. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

It appears that the black Range Rover itself is the problem - MC Magnet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=cworh921ljU