Pope says that gun manufacturers can't call themselves Christians

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

The pope is not at all a deity, but a spiritual and administrative leader for the organization that is The Catholic Church. If anybody worships the pope, they are misguided at best. As for everything else you said: that's basically the reformation in a nutshell, right?

At the end of the day, I don't think I'll ever understand the animosity between Christians... Aren't all Christians working to achieve the same goals?

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oh i agree he isn't a deity and i agree most catholics would say the same, but the PRACTICE makes it seem like people do in fact revere him as that, or at the very least an intermediary between them and God, and that simply isn't needed. having a figurehead with that much power and clout, is, in my opinion, dangerous and counter to what the bible teaches. i don't think its evil or sinful or any of that nonsense, but not biblically accurate or appropriate. its really the one thing my catholic friends and i don't see eye to eye on. which is fine.

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

As for everything else you said: that's basically the reformation in a nutshell, right?

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Incorrect.

Luke 23:44-46

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44 It was now about [p]the sixth hour, and darkness [q]fell over the whole land until [r]the ninth hour,45 [s]because the sun was obscured; and the veil of the temple was torn [t]in two. 46 And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit.” Having said this, He breathed His last.

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The veil being torn in two meant that we sinners no longer had to go to God through a mediator (i.e. priest). Christ's sacrifice made it unnecessary.

Cool move, Gman. Last time there was a religious debate, I took it to PMs with you and brought you a detailed and well-reasoned argument with many sources and much documentation and this was your reply:

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Originally Posted by Gman

We are not going to convince one another any differently than we already believe. Faith is a personal decision. I'm not going to debate it on the forums or via PMs. All you need is the Bible

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Change your mind? LOL
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I posted scripture that slightly pre-dates the Protestant Reformation. Why, are you wanting to debate scripture?

What I don't try to do is take a public conversation private or vice versa. I think that's a weaselly tactic for those with weak arguments that can't stand in the light of public discourse.

And that will wrap up this edition of The People's Court.