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The bottom line is to ask WHY something is required, and then whether the requirement achieves the desired goal. If the answer is "no," then there is no justification for the requirement.
Training or not, people are going to do whatever they are going to do. Of course extensive and repeated training will allow people to more often act "correctly" in a given situation, but that level of training is far beyond whatever would be required by the State.
I'll try to throw in something new... I skimmed many of the posts, so maybe I just missed it- saw some that eluded to it.
When gov't requires training, exactly WHAT training is chosen, and from what vendor?
Do want the same idiots that brought poorly written laws to require a class from the lobbyist that contributes the most to their campaign fund? (since they know nothing about how to actually select a class based on content)
This is not to degenerate or discount any other points here- many other good points about why mandated training is a violation of rights.
Forget CCW required training...how about we start with mandatory Cotillion classes? That would probably do us more good.
Just moved from Colorado to Illinois and of course my CO CCW is worthless here. Took a month to get the required FOID card which first requires an Illinois drivers license. Now to get my IL CCW, the requirement is to attend an Illinois State authorized and recognized CCW instructor and spend two days consisting of a full eight hours of classes (with a quick lunch break). A few handguns are passed around in the class for the instructor to check proper handling by each student. Since I am a vet, it was required that I take only a one day class. My cost for the single day was $75. Next to get the CCW application going, finger printing will cost me another $75 and the State requires their fee of $150 for a three year license. So, it's not cheap to secure a CCW here in Illinois and there is NO OPEN CARRY allowed even if you posses a valid Illinois CCW.
Oh, neglected to mention each student must fire 30 rounds at a certain target and at least hit the target 30 times.
How does one carry concealed at a nudist colony? Do I need a special permit?
At least? I've got a problem with the situation if the student is hitting the target MORE than 30 times for 30 rounds fired ...Quote:
Originally Posted by BlasterBob
That's easy- just fold the target before you put it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
I believe in training for a CCW permit. I do not believe said training should be Mandatory. If it was mandatory. Who sets the guidelines for training, time and number of classes. Live fire or not??
Before CO was state wide CCW. In weld cty (22 yrs ago) one was required to have certificate of training, 3 character references AND a letter from a doctor, stating you were mentally competent . Before you were able to get a permit . IMO it was a CYA on the part of the sheriff just in case... Outside of us having to get a doctor to sign off (not an issue) and the reference letters Not one item required was ever followed up / checked by the dept.
That was a county requirement. IMAGINE the fluster cluck IF the .gov got involved. ESPECIALLY if someone like fudly brown felt the need to stick his nose in.
I received a call from Adams County earlier this year threatening to remove my CHP if I got any more traffic violations because speeding tickets could be seen as aggressive behavior.
I believe we have the right to carry a firearm for self defence; we have a responsibility to do it safely. What problem are we trying to solve with such training? The last I checked, concealed carry individuals count for next to no accidental shootings and crimes. For the most part, in comparison to the rest of the population, concealed carry individuals are the most responsible people I know. Should a person become proficient with their firearm...absolutely. Is this the government's job...no. A ridiculous minimum requirements gov mandated class is a waste of time. If anything, I can see a proficiency skills test.