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10-11-2016, 19:03
cstone

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Originally Posted by beast556

Thank you for sharing your little story with us. To bad we dont live in a perfect world and all interactions go this well all the time.

Let me share my storie of the first LE interaction I had. My brother and I were walking to school I was in 6th grade and my brother was in 5th. Two cop cars come screeching to a hault female officer grabs me and male officer grabs my brother and throws him to the ground starts kicking him and then gets down and starts chokeing him, yelling confess to me now and this will be over. After about two minutes wich in kid time felt like an eternity. I hear over the radio we have suspect in custody. Female cop told me if you say anything about this she would put us in jail and they got in there cars and took off. We were scared to death and never told any one it shook bolth of us to the core. The look on my brothers face is burned in to my memory, sheer terror. Every interaction that I have ever had with law enforcement has been negative.

I'm sorry that happened to you and your brother. I assume this happened many years ago, but if it is within 20 years, the officers are likely still working in that same department. Ever check on them to see if they are still there?

As was mentioned earlier, no one wants bad officers to leave the profession more than good officers. Do good officers sometimes to bad things? You betcha. Do bad officers do good things? Occasionally. It isn't like there is a schedule that decides whether an individual officer will be bad or good on any given week, shift, call. Sometimes while in the pursuit of a good end, bad decisions are made and innocent people are hurt. That is what your situation sounds like to me.

When you say that every interaction you have ever had with law enforcement has been negative, I don't know how many interactions you are writing about, but often when I look a problem, I try to remove variables to isolate the source of the problem. If a person has 100 encounters with 100 different police officers. If all 100 of those negative encounters involving 100 different police officers are under different circumstances, how likely is the probability that the person encountered 100 different bad police officers on 100 different occasions? I hope you can see where I'm going with this.

I've said this to my kids, and I've said it to people I've supervised; most of life is about mental attitude. You have no control over the mental attitude of others but when you focus, you should have control over your own attitude. You can allow people to push your buttons and get from you what they want, or you can choose how you want to react or not to others. Your choice. We all are responsible for our actions. We all have choices on what we do.

Be safe.
10-11-2016, 19:19
osok-308

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Originally Posted by cstone

When you say that every interaction you have ever had with law enforcement has been negative, I don't know how many interactions you are writing about, but often when I look a problem, I try to remove variables to isolate the source of the problem. If a person has 100 encounters with 100 different police officers. If all 100 of those negative encounters involving 100 different police officers are under different circumstances, how likely is the probability that the person encountered 100 different bad police officers on 100 different occasions? I hope you can see where I'm going with this.

It's like I heard growing up:

If Bill has a problem with Joe, Steve, and Craig, maybe Joe, Steve, and Craig aren't the problem.
10-11-2016, 19:58
Graves

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Originally Posted by beast556

Every interaction that I have ever had with law enforcement has been negative.

As Chuck pointed out, you're likely the common denominator.
10-12-2016, 06:04
Aloha_Shooter

I don't know what the circumstances were but it seems awfully odd that a police car would pull over just to beat a couple kids in elementary school, even if both police officers were vicious psychopaths who just happened to be partnered up. I wish Paul Harvey were still around because I think I'd like to hear the rest of the story.
10-12-2016, 08:21
Great-Kazoo

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Originally Posted by Graves

As Chuck pointed out, you're likely the common denominator.

Been watching & reading this thread.

I can say beyond a reasonable doubt. Beast556 is not the person some here believe he is, based on his opinion. . He has in the years we've known him and his family, ever expressed any negativity or hate towards LE. What his personal experience was, i never knew till now. Nor did he volunteer said info. Or do i feel his personal opinion has any bearing on our friendship.

UNLESS he puts a I'M WITH HILLARY sign in his yard

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

I don't know what the circumstances were but it seems awfully odd that a police car would pull over just to beat a couple kids in elementary school, even if both police officers were vicious psychopaths who just happened to be partnered up. I wish Paul Harvey were still around because I think I'd like to hear the rest of the story.

speaking from experience. I can tell you LE in CO is WAYYYYYYYYY different than those on either coast where both he and i grew up.

Example.
40+ years ago i couldn't take a MC ride without numerous LE encounters. Yes Numerous stops per day. Based on appearance, type of mc ridden and the mentality of LE (at the time) towards anyone riding Harleys, choppers etc.

Move to CO.... Day 1 on the bike pass 2 cops. NADA, ZIP not even a basic traffic stop, just to see who i was.
Sounds weird or possibly unbelievable? Of course it does. I can say that first and repeated days till i stopped riding. i NEVER had a negative (outside traffic stops for hypothetical exceeding posted speed limit) experience with LE's. be it on my mc , car or on foot because i "fit a profile" As the mentality was a back east one AND a different time. .

Now every swinging dick rides a mc AND is heavily tattooed. back in the 70's not happening.

1976 Pull up to a diner with a few other guys, hadn't finished putting the kickstand down before 2 uni's rolled up. Literally told to get back on the bikes and perhaps do our riding in another county.

There's a lot of adverse interactions i had while on my bike. 98% of it just because i was on a H-D. We called it Riding While Biker. I was not wearing a patch or riding with any MC "Gang" just the spouse & i, a few friends out for a casual spin.

Like i said different time, different mentality.
10-12-2016, 12:56
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by vectorsc

Im glad the both of you understand my position on this. No thats not sarcasm.

If you arent involved in a crime but merely witness it yes you should have some concern that calling the police to respond may have negative consequences for you.

Examples from this very situation:

"So you had a gun you said. Lets go collect that to make sure you werent the one firing."

"Do you mind if we search your entire house looking for a bullet hole?"

"Did you know that some random law among the 262,517 ordinances that apply to you is in violation here?"

And im glad for those of you who dont feel that inviting the police in and inviting in trouble are one in the same - it means you haven't had the bad experiences with that one guy on the force every good cop desparately wishes they could fire.

This opinion sounds very disconnected from reality... I may not have been on the job that long, but I have yet to hear about an RP not doing anything wrong getting charged with anything.

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Originally Posted by beast556

This is America and everyone is free to have there own opinion and believe what they want, that is what makes this the greatest country on this planet. Im glad I could amuse you, I belive what I belive because of life experiences and nothing any one can say or do will change my mind.

Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, but that doesn't make them correct or even right. We have to respect that other people have the right to their opinion, but we also reserve the right to express that your opinion is completely wrong and not based upon fact.

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Originally Posted by osok-308

This is all avoided from calling the police non-emergent line and saying " I live in the xxxx block of xxxxx Street. I heard an argument and what sounded like a gunshot. here is a description of the car. i wish to remain anonymous." Cops get calls all the time from people who refuse to give their name or any further contact information. Example of how to call the cops and not have your life intruded on. You don't HAVE to mention that you have a gun for your self-protection.

Most police aren't out to punish the average Joe for BS small things. Every cop I've ever met wanted to get bad guys (people who hurt other people for no reason) off of the streets.

THIS. I cannot count how many times I hear the phrase "RP requests no contact with responding officers."

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Originally Posted by beast556

Thank you for sharing your little story with us. To bad we dont live in a perfect world and all interactions go this well all the time.

Let me share my storie of the first LE interaction I had. My brother and I were walking to school I was in 6th grade and my brother was in 5th. Two cop cars come screeching to a hault female officer grabs me and male officer grabs my brother and throws him to the ground starts kicking him and then gets down and starts chokeing him, yelling confess to me now and this will be over. After about two minutes wich in kid time felt like an eternity. I hear over the radio we have suspect in custody. Female cop told me if you say anything about this she would put us in jail and they got in there cars and took off. We were scared to death and never told any one it shook bolth of us to the core. The look on my brothers face is burned in to my memory, sheer terror. Every interaction that I have ever had with law enforcement has been negative.

Forgive me, but I have a hard time believing this. Not accusing you of lying or anything, but I think you're embellishing or perhaps omitting some pretty vital facts.
10-12-2016, 14:30
vectorsc

So first - good advice on an anonymous call.

Second, again, I'm very glad that the people with a good opinion of what is going to happen have that good opinion. It means that, if you are an officer, your department might be quite good. If you are a civilian, you might live in an area where the PD/SO etc is also very good. Wait till you run into a department with arrest quotas tied to promotions. Or a politically motivated "War on something"

I think its pretty easy to say that a police officer who lives in one place and spends 30 years in a good department is more out of touch with the reality of bad cops than someone who has lived in 30 places East Coast/West Coast, and Middle.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

This opinion sounds very disconnected from reality... I may not have been on the job that long, but I have yet to hear about an RP not doing anything wrong getting charged with anything.

Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, but that doesn't make them correct or even right. We have to respect that other people have the right to their opinion, but we also reserve the right to express that your opinion is completely wrong and not based upon fact.

THIS. I cannot count how many times I hear the phrase "RP requests no contact with responding officers."

Forgive me, but I have a hard time believing this. Not accusing you of lying or anything, but I think you're embellishing or perhaps omitting some pretty vital facts.
10-12-2016, 16:07
beast556

Forgive me, but I have a hard time believing this. Not accusing you of lying or anything, but I think you're embellishing or perhaps omitting some pretty vital facts.[/QUOTE]

You guys can belive what ever you want, I have no reason to lie. Like others have said small town PD's are way different than PD's in large citys. I grew up in southern California near Los Angles, to say the cops were corrupt would be an understatement.
10-12-2016, 16:34
Zundfolge

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

speaking from experience. I can tell you LE in CO is WAYYYYYYYYY different than those on either coast where both he and i grew up.

Which is why it annoys me how many CO officers are transplants from places like Chicago and Boston.

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Example.
40+ years ago i couldn't take a MC ride without numerous LE encounters. Yes Numerous stops per day. Based on appearance, type of mc ridden and the mentality of LE (at the time) towards anyone riding Harleys, choppers etc.

That's interesting because one of my neighbors is a retired cop from Mass ... overall seems like a decent guy (much more conservative politically than one would expect from a Masshead) but every time there are bikers in the area he'll post warnings about them on the neighborhood email list and FB page.

Maybe bikers back east are different too?

As for my interactions with LEOs, most of them are just fine (my parents live next door to a Wichita PD Captain who's now retired, he's always been pretty cool, and back when I lived in Wichita I did the business cards for the WPD so I got to meet a lot of them when they'd stop by the shop to pick up their cards ... and drink our coffee). But most of the negative interactions I've had with PD have been more about fecklessness, incompetence and general uselessness more than JBTs with bad attitudes. Like when I had a gun stolen during a real estate inspection and the CSPD "detective" spent his time flirting with one of the suspects and investigating me for "filing a false report" ... I certainly hope its not one of the good cops that has to deal with whomever has that gun now.
10-12-2016, 16:43
Great-Kazoo

That's interesting because one of my neighbors is a retired cop from Mass ... overall seems like a decent guy (much more conservative politically than one would expect from a Masshead) but every time there are bikers in the area he'll post warnings about them on the neighborhood email list and FB page.

Perhaps that says something more about his way of thinking than the "bikers" them self. Which goes to mentality of some when it comes to interacting with.

OH NO THERE'S BIKERS IN THE AREA. LOCK UP YOUR DAUGHTERS, HIDE THE PONY KEG, OH THE HORROR......

BUT..............this thread seems to have veered off course of the OP.

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