Immigration Ban

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Originally Posted by Skip

Isn't that always the game plan? They turn a thing into a chaotic mess and then claim they have the answer that invariably involves more government under their exclusive control.

Too much crime (promotion of violence, destroying families/churches, weak sentencing/revolving door justice system) = police state
Healthcare is too expensive (after gov intervention) = socialize it
Middle class is too irresponsible with money (after creating a consumption based economy) = take their paychecks and give them programs


I don't believe they (elite Dems) actually care about these immigrants/refugees. They are just using them to accomplish political goals.

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You are correct, they do not have actual compassion or concern, the immigrants/refugees are just a means to an end.

How soon they "forget."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wxMTh_UzHM

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Originally Posted by Skip

Isn't that always the game plan? They turn a thing into a chaotic mess and then claim they have the answer that invariably involves more government under their exclusive control.

Too much crime (promotion of violence, destroying families/churches, weak sentencing/revolving door justice system) = police state
Healthcare is too expensive (after gov intervention) = socialize it
Middle class is too irresponsible with money (after creating a consumption based economy) = take their paychecks and give them programs


I don't believe they (elite Dems) actually care about these immigrants/refugees. They are just using them to accomplish political goals.

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Originally Posted by roberth

You are correct, they do not have actual compassion or concern, the immigrants/refugees are just a means to an end.

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Yep. Machiavelli documented the machinations of government hundreds of years ago.

I'll play.

These Green Card holders are trying to follow the rules and go through due process. They pick the wrong time to leave the country and get screwed in the deal. Yes, some are coming from countries with no infrastructure. This might be a reason why they are leaving? A lot of Iraques helped the American military and have vouchers from those superiors expressing their help and allegiance. Should they be left swinging in the breeze?

I get that Isis and other terrorist cells are using lacks immigration as a means to further their BS but do the legitimate immigrants have to pay that price? Hell, bring in the green card holders and take extra special care of them til they are vetted.

If a terrorist wanted to enter the country and do harm, using the Mexican border is far easier than any other port.

Yes, I am "America first" but I also come from immigrants (Scotch/Irish). Maybe 250yrs ago but the same animosity was in place then.

Our "nation of immigrants" had reasonable restrictions on immigration; much stricter than we have today.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...on_policy.html

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In 1901, a poem by Emma Lazarus was inscribed on a plaque and affixed to the Statue of Liberty. It reads in part:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...

Two years later, The Immigration Act of 1903, also called the Anarchist Exclusion Act, was put into law. That law imposed further restrictions on immigration beyond the current laws. Those groups so noted in the new law as unwelcome were anarchists, people with epilepsy, beggars, and importers of prostitutes. In 1907, just six years after the poem was placed, the Immigration Act of 1907 was passed, noting even more groups denied immigration and also imposing literacy tests and insisting on deportation of those in violation of those immigration laws. The Immigration Act of 1924 imposed national origin quotas designed to prevent sharp changes in the demographics of the country. These legislators all knew about the poem.
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Originally Posted by Ah Pook

These Green Card holders are trying to follow the rules and go through due process. They pick the wrong time to leave the country and get screwed in the deal. [...] Should they be left swinging in the breeze?

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Being delayed on their trip for additional screening != "getting screwed" or "left swinging in the breeze"

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but I also come from immigrants

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and so did 98% of the US population. The other 2%, Indians, had no border security or immigration laws and see what happened to them...

Encountering multiple people saying that the ban is discriminatory against non Christians. Here is my response to all of them.

Why are you so upset about exempting Christians? If the U.S. had banned travel from Germany between 1933 and 1945 except for Jews would you today be upset by it? ISIS/AQI are targeting Christians and other religious minorities like the Yzidis for execution. The only Muslims they are purposely targeting are the ones combating them (Jordanian Air Force Pilot who was burned alive) OR Muslims that openly oppose them. The constitution is referring to giving preferential or discriminatory
treatment because of what God they worship or what house of worship they attend. The U.S. Government is not exempting Religious minorities because of their beliefs, they are doing it because they are proportionately at a much higher risk of being killed than their Muslim counterparts.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

Green card renewal went from 30 days normally, to a quoted potential wait time of up to 9 months. If you know any green card holders who need to renew this year, suggest that they do it now so they don't get caught with an expired card before the renewal goes through.