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*short rant* One thing I think absolutely needs to be addressed asap is switching pensions from defined benefit to defined contribution (for all public employees, not just teachers). That will begin the process of stopping a lot of the bleeding. *end short rant*

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Originally Posted by RblDiver

*short rant* One thing I think absolutely needs to be addressed asap is switching pensions from defined benefit to defined contribution (for all public employees, not just teachers). That will begin the process of stopping a lot of the bleeding. *end short rant*

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I agree.

They're protesting TABOR too since that is a major pain in their ass. They want to bankrupt you for the children. It's for the children.. [sheepshagger]

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Originally Posted by RblDiver

*short rant* One thing I think absolutely needs to be addressed asap is switching pensions from defined benefit to defined contribution (for all public employees, not just teachers). That will begin the process of stopping a lot of the bleeding. *end short rant*

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And until that happens quit complaining about how underpaid they are. A yearly salary is not the only part of their compensation and refusing to acknowledge that they have one of the BEST retirement packages available (the kind most of the private sector had to get rid of a long time ago due to cost) when they talk about how little they are paid is either ignorant or intellectually dishonest.

The teachers union does a great job of getting them to parrot the line of overworked and underpaid. I'm surrounded by public school teachers in my family, active and retired, and the amount of work required sure doesn't seem overwhelming to me.

If you don't like the pay find another job.

As posted already, I wouldn't mine paying more for actual classroom expenses and teachers salaries. However I think the overhead and administration costs are currently out of control.

I find it hilarious that a ton of people on this thread are all about even more forced income theft (read: taxes) for a pet cause, so long as it really goes to said cause. But I bet they bitched and moaned and blah blah blah when Obamacare passed. There is NO DIFFERENCE in the socialism of public education and public healthcare. Neither are owed to anyone at the gun-to-head expense of another, and neither are necessary in a public capacity, as they do not fall within the actual purview of the Federal, State, or Local government except as usurped by said levels from the family.

What public school ultimately is, is a glorified babysitting service so that people can pursue a lifestyle which is false in its necessity, a la both parents working. And then they go out and get themselves in insane amounts of debt trying to constantly maintain an artificially luxurious lifestyle, because they've been given the time-credit to do so by the lender of the government-at-large; the interest is your child's mind, and you will never be able to pay it off, ever. It's also a method of bringing in an entire generation year after year to poison their minds with progressively dangerous ideas. I see it as no different than a pedophile offering to babysit for $5 a week. Obviously, he's up to something. Do we really believe the government and those who run it is really that magnanimous? Get real.

I grant that there are indeed situations where both parents might need to work, but they are rare.

If people want to send their kids off to the contra-education camps, fine. But why make anyone else pay for it? If it's so damn important, make the sacrifice and pay! Then we'll see how important it is and how unnecessary all the other fluff of life is.

High school graduates today cannot hold an electric candle to the 8th graders of the early 1900's. Why are we paying more for less output? Why are we paying at all? Why is socialism in a form which is accepted by society not recognized as such? Why is it that we only hem, haw, and have hackles raised when it's a merely new-to-us application of it? Why is this form of socialism acceptable, but ensuring someone doesn't die early is wrong?

Here are the thoughts of John Taylor Gatto, in his speech given in 1990 when accepting the New York City Teacher of the Year award. It's scathing...:

http://www.naturalchild.org/guest/john_gatto.html

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Originally Posted by CavSct1983

I find it hilarious that a ton of people on this thread are all about even more forced income theft (read: taxes) for a pet cause, so long as it really goes to said cause. But I bet they bitched and moaned and blah blah blah when Obamacare passed. There is NO DIFFERENCE in the socialism of public education and public healthcare. Neither are owed to anyone at the gun-to-head expense of another, and neither are necessary in a public capacity, as they do not fall within the actual purview of the Federal, State, or Local government except as usurped by said levels from the family.

What public school ultimately is, is a glorified babysitting service so that people can pursue a lifestyle which is false in its necessity, a la both parents working. And then they go out and get themselves in insane amounts of debt trying to constantly maintain an artificially luxurious lifestyle, because they've been given the time-credit to do so by the lender of the government-at-large; the interest is your child's mind, and you will never be able to pay it off, ever. It's also a method of bringing in an entire generation year after year to poison their minds with progressively dangerous ideas. I see it as no different than a pedophile offering to babysit for $5 a week. Obviously, he's up to something. Do we really believe the government and those who run it is really that magnanimous? Get real.

I grant that there are indeed situations where both parents might need to work, but they are rare.

If people want to send their kids off to the contra-education camps, fine. But why make anyone else pay for it? If it's so damn important, make the sacrifice and pay! Then we'll see how important it is and how unnecessary all the other fluff of life is.

High school graduates today cannot hold an electric candle to the 8th graders of the early 1900's. Why are we paying more for less output? Why are we paying at all? Why is socialism in a form which is accepted by society not recognized as such? Why is it that we only hem, haw, and have hackles raised when it's a merely new-to-us application of it? Why is this form of socialism acceptable, but ensuring someone doesn't die early is wrong?

Here are the thoughts of John Taylor Gatto, in his speech given in 1990 when accepting the New York City Teacher of the Year award. It's scathing...:

http://www.naturalchild.org/guest/john_gatto.html

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You forgot to tell us to get off your lawn.

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

You forgot to tell us to get off your lawn.

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I will never ever own a lawn so long as property taxes are a thing. Get off the government's lawn, and don't walk on the Sergeant Major's rocks, either. :D

signed,
Serf

I think those okay with paying more taxes are trying to say that they would be okay with paying teachers more. Since taxes is how teachers are paid, they're saying they'd pay more taxes. If there was a different way to pay teachers, I'd think those same people would be willing to pay a bit more in that way.

I just ordered a Yeti for my kid's gym teacher so he can keep the bottled water cold during the 30 minute gym period.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I just ordered a Yeti for my kid's gym teacher so he can keep the bottled water cold during the 30 minute gym period.

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