Motorcycle lane splitting

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Originally Posted by sportbikeco

It is a burden to drive normally in a lane or check mirrors before changing lanes ?.

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Is it a burden for bikers to do the same and ride normally in a lane?

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Originally Posted by CavSct1983

The overheating issue can apply to cars as well. HOV lane, when available, was used since in CA motorcycles can use them. Yet, one could make the argument against it. I'm not sure if HOV is allowed for bikes here, since my current bike is unsuitable for any road which would have them (its max is about 60mph).

The issue with high speed weaving in flowing traffic, which is typically a crotch rocket tactic, is indeed dangerous in a way which going up the split of stopped or very slow traffic isn't -- particularly when there really shouldn't be an opportunity for a car to change a lane.

And you assume that "normal rules of the road" do not include lane splitting, when in the legal contexts from whence I draw this experience, they do.

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There's a reason I said "vehicle" rather than "bike" or "motorcycle". Cars that are prone to overheating when stuck in stalled traffic probably shouldn't be on the road when they're likely to be stuck in said traffic either.

I also said "normal rules of the road" for a reason. If you want to ride that way in Commiepornia, be my guest, it's part of the normal rules of the road there. It's not here. Despite wctriumph's unsupported unconditional statement about lane-splitting saving lives, you are arguing for a behavior that inconveniences and endangers the general public to improve the convenience for a handful of people. Like exceeding the speed limit, there are very likely many scenarios where this is harmless -- but don't try to argue that it makes universal sense because it doesn't.

I like how everyone skims over the point of where filtering works great in Europe. The problem is a cultural one of dogshit drivers. In most Euro countries to get a permit requires much more serious testing and much higher penalties for dumb screw ups.

Its one of the very few things Im envious of Europe on. Meanwhile back in the US we're are plagued with uninsured trash and a huge number of senior citizens that are well past the point of safely driving.

The biggest problem with lane splitting/filtering in the US is that US drivers do every damn thing behind the wheel except drive their fucking cars. Eating, drinking, texting, surfing, reading, shaving, fucking with their radio, digging through their glove box, chasing down that dropped cigarette, putting on makeup, blabbering on the phone. If people would just pay fucking attention, the roads would be a lot safer for everyone.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

The biggest problem with lane splitting/filtering in the US is that US drivers do every damn thing behind the wheel except drive their fucking cars. Eating, drinking, texting, surfing, reading, shaving, fucking with their radio, digging through their glove box, chasing down that dropped cigarette, putting on makeup, blabbering on the phone. If people would just pay fucking attention, the roads would be a lot safer for everyone.

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Originally Posted by fitz19d

I like how everyone skims over the point of where filtering works great in Europe. The problem is a cultural one of dogshit drivers. In most Euro countries to get a permit requires much more serious testing and much higher penalties for dumb screw ups.

Its one of the very few things Im envious of Europe on. Meanwhile back in the US we're are plagued with uninsured trash and a huge number of senior citizens that are well past the point of safely driving.

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You are absolutely correct. It's amazing how a lot of other countries have far more courteous drivers than we do here in the U.S.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

The biggest problem with lane splitting/filtering in the US is that US drivers do every damn thing behind the wheel except drive their fucking cars. Eating, drinking, texting, surfing, reading, shaving, fucking with their radio, digging through their glove box, chasing down that dropped cigarette, putting on makeup, blabbering on the phone. If people would just pay fucking attention, the roads would be a lot safer for everyone.

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^^^100% THIS

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

The biggest problem with lane splitting/filtering in the US is that US drivers do every damn thing behind the wheel except drive their fucking cars. Eating, drinking, texting, surfing, reading, shaving, fucking with their radio, digging through their glove box, chasing down that dropped cigarette, putting on makeup, blabbering on the phone. If people would just pay fucking attention, the roads would be a lot safer for everyone.

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Quoted for truth.

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Originally Posted by Squeeze

You are absolutely correct. It's amazing how a lot of other countries have far more courteous drivers than we do here in the U.S.



^^^100% THIS

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That's due to more serious penalties for traffic infractions, as well as loss of driving privileges for things like a first time DUI.


The no texting while driving law is another toothless feel good law. Where they get a ticket IF they're pulled over for another violation.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

The no texting while driving law is another toothless feel good law. Where they get a ticket IF they're pulled over for another violation.

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Even if we had a law making the use of the phone in the vehicle as 'hands-free only', some people just can't drive and hold a conversation at the same time. Either that, or they're driving 35 mph in a 45 at rush hour while talking to their imaginary friend.

I don't understand the texting law. Seems unnecessary since if an officer feels someone is driving inattentively, a carless driving ticket can be issued, which I thought was worse than a texting ticket.