And it starts, NO shot, no entry

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Also you can still carry, catch and transmitt the rona while vaxxed. It just helps to reduce the severity of the symptoms if you catch it.

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While that’s possible, it’s much less likely than we initially thought. A recent study shows:

“ Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status; vaccine effectiveness of partial immunization (≥14 days after first dose but before second dose) was 80%.” (Source below)

Not only is it showing to be phenomenal at preventing infection (and therefore transmission), it seems that the 10% of fully immunized folks who could get infected are quite unlikely to transmit it to others, since their immune response squashes the virus before it replicates to levels needed to transmit. (I’ve heard this from a few Infectious Disease docs, but can’t point to a written source, FWIW)

Good news, but it is still too new to know if I’ll have a tail sometime in the future...

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https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7013e3_w

I guess I'm in the minority here and remember when people thought vaccines were great and had all but knocked out measles, mumps, rubella, small pox, polio and a few others from the US. Or followed directions when it was recommended to get a yellow fever shot before traveling to SE Asia. If you have been in the military, you've probably had so many repeats and boosters, not to mention what was in a few experimental ones we were forced to take. Looking at you anthrax series of 6 shots. [Mad] I'll admit, I was bad at keeping track of my yellow shot record while in the Army, and my medical records folder failed to make to at least two separate vax events, so I know I had repeats just to make sure I was in compliance with SOFA's for deployments and training ops.

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I guess I'm in the minority here and remember when people thought vaccines were great...

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Everybody in my family is getting vaccinated as soon as possible- My elderly parents are done, and my wife got the single dose J&J a few weeks ago. My brother gets Moderna #2 and I get Pfizer #2 next week.

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Everybody in my family is getting vaccinated as soon as possible- My elderly parents are done, and my wife got the single dose.J&J a few weeks ago. My brother gets Moderna #2 and I get Pfizer #2 next week.

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Ditto, second shots coming up soon. My 5G didn't improve, so the chips not working[ROFL1]

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I guess I'm in the minority here and remember when people thought vaccines were great and had all but knocked out measles, mumps, rubella, small pox, polio and a few others from the US. Or followed directions when it was recommended to get a yellow fever shot before traveling to SE Asia. If you have been in the military, you've probably had so many repeats and boosters, not to mention what was in a few experimental ones we were forced to take. Looking at you anthrax series of 6 shots. [Mad] I'll admit, I was bad at keeping track of my yellow shot record while in the Army, and my medical records folder failed to make to at least two separate vax events, so I know I had repeats just to make sure I was in compliance with SOFA's for deployments and training ops.

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I was a Polio Pioneer in grade school in the 50's in Salt Lake City.
All school children participated, and received a vaccine or placebo, no questions asked or even contemplated.
I got the placebo, so got to do it all over again the next year after the results were released.
It was a relief to escape the dread of doing anything that might result in getting Polio.

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I guess I'm in the minority here and remember when people thought vaccines were great and had all but knocked out measles, mumps, rubella, small pox, polio and a few others from the US.

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I think it's mostly just the normal reaction to being told to do something, especially by the government. People threw a fit about seat belts in cars. I've heard some of the dumbest arguments about motorcycle helmets. I heard an opinion on something, and I'm not even sure it was about the vaccine. Essentially the person was saying that when something new comes along, the outage is fierce, but after everyone gets over the initial anger and life goes on, it's hard to even remember the initial arguments against whatever was put into place. Unless people start dying or getting bellybutton cancer from these vaccines, then I'm sure this will be much the same.

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Sure, it?s just one small business. What if a larger company took a similar stance? Or several larger companies. Let?s say United airlines, Delta airlines, Southwest, and pretty much every airline decided that in order to fly in their airlines you needed to show them some sort of medical records?

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From an intellectual consistency standpoint, I'd have to give the same response I do to people who want to take their emotional support animals (i.e., pets -- NOT trained and registered service animals) onboard or the people who want all flights sterilized against every possible allergen or who don't want to relinquish their sidearm while traveling: drive (or in the case of overseas travel, sail).

I don't want a vaccine passport either but I can understand why the airlines might want passengers to show proof they have taken reasonable steps to avoid infecting others. Infecting the crew can have drastic effects on their operations. Infecting other passengers exposes the airlines to expensive lawsuits and settlements over something they can't control.

The thing I can't stand about Leftists is their desire to impose government control over free enterprise and remove actual freedom of choice. I don't want to be the mirror image of that which I despise.

Have there been ANY instances of a Covid outbreak from a flight? The pilots don't even wear face masks, and everyone takes off their masks to eat, which means that it doesn't matter for the rest of the flight either.

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Have there been ANY instances of a Covid outbreak from a flight? The pilots don't even wear face masks, and everyone takes off their masks to eat, which means that it doesn't matter for the rest of the flight either.

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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...lynn-1.4534328

I don't see the relevance.