I was mugged?!?!

wow! I am truely glad you two are ok! It sounds to me that you have a very clear perspective of what you needed to do and reacted as needed to the situation.
I would talk to the landlord about releasing you from the lease since they have not provided a safe place to reside and for your familys safety.

Not shooting was smart as you only reacted with enough force to stop and put a end to the situation at hand. It is never a wise thing to act in a extreme violent action with people around or if you know you will be known, as per your previous experience. The old saying is you never tell on yourself and be prudent in every other case with others around.

Your better half acted in the same manner as you did and my hat is off to both of you as I only hope I will be able to act in such a manner if ever the situation comes on me like that.

I also live in the south area but in a little better situation but it can happen anyplace and I have been laxed in my use of CCW the last year or so. I will carry my weapon from now on. it goes with me every where but I tend to leave it in the car which does no good if needed.

If you find a new place and I am in town I would be more than happy to help in any move if that is what you decide. I do have a truck , its small but its still a truck.

good luck and keep us up to date.
thank you jon

Foxtrot, i think everyone is saying (well i can't speak for everyone), so i am saying:

I would draw the instant i saw the knife....not shoot. it is a perceived threat but I can't tell you if i am in fear for my life (I wasn't there). But just seeing the knife pulled out is enough to instantly draw the weapon.


You say cops pull their guns a lot but rarely shoot. Cops also aren't snuck up on in the middle of the night and surprised by three thugs one with a knife out. They are in uniform, get respect (most of the time) from about everyone and people know they have a gun, people know the cops know how to use the gun, they know they will get into trouble for trying to fuck with a cop. hardly the same. And most of the time cops are called to a scene and are prepared for whats going on or have some sort of idea as to the scenario where a CCW might just be walking along talking on his cell phone eating a hamburger when all of a sudden they are getting mugged or shot or ??

And to answer your question the average LEO would have a gun drawn on the guy telling him to drop the knife. If the guy reaches into his pocket he will probably be shot. If he complies he probably won't.

We also aren't LEOs, don't have their training, their responsibility or their authority.

In the end we are responsible for our own safety as CCW and that is what we carry for. Helping others using your CCW is a whole other topic.


and the tueller situation could easily apply to this situation. these are all "what ifs" but that is what you are looking for I guess:
what happens if the guy sees bigbear reaching for his wallet or watch and suddenly charges and the other two react and are right behind him. the tueller situation works both ways. the CCW knows the guy is going to charge and would have an even quicker response time. you never know when somebody who just pulled a knife on you wanting all your stuff will run at you or what they are going to do. So i don't see how the tueller scenario does not apply.



ETA: Just read your next couple responses...so it appears we are on the same page as far as drawing not with the intent to kill but to save yourself time if something does go down. the way I read your post it sounded like you were against drawing at all in this situation.
so some of what I read may be redundant or an effort to see my way of thinking but it sounds like we are in agreement it is best to draw and be prepared to shoot but not just draw and shoot.

Good job Bear, hope your finances will work out fine. [Beer]

Big Bear.....Glad Your Safe and all worked out in your favor..
as a few others have stated.. you handled it much more calmly then I think I would but then again in the couple of times I've had guns shoved in my face by bad guys I remember being really calm (and I think that scared THEM more then anything I could have shouted). Interesting how extreme situations bring you to focus quite strongly.

And as at least one other poster has said.. I think I need to move getting my CCW WAY up on the list of things to do .

in closing...

Yes get out there an by that wife of yours a bottle of her favorite wine and some flowers. She's earned them . [Flower]

One problem I have with the Tueller drill is that it only applies if the person being charged doesn't move at all. If I'm standing on the street or in a parking lot, and someone charges me (under ideal circumstances) I'm confident that I can move sideways enough, and fast enough, to give me at least one extra second before getting stabbed. With that said, that doesn't always mean that every situation will be ideal and I should rely on what I could do in the proper circumstance. I think it is a good guide to go by and keep in the back of your mind as a worst case scenario. You're going to be better off if you assume worst case scenario* That last sentence is just in refering to dodging a sprinter with a knife; I'm not trying to suggest you should assume the worst and start shooting at anyone that makes you uneasy.

I am gald you are both ok! This has sure got me thinking about how I carry. Often it's in the backpack, not on my person.

And it don't forget, it's was really 2 against 3 with the back up carry there (your wife ;) ). Bravo to her. I wish I could find one like that.

Thanks for sharing this with us. If, god forbid, I ever find myself in this situation, I hope I will be as cool as you were.

Oh... I forgot..........

Tho I'm not second guessing BigBear with this statement I find it to be true..

The "Standard Thug" ( oh sure not ALL of them but 99.9%) know NOTHING about force escalation. If they had guns they would have come out BEFORE the knife. they pulled a knife ( and only one) cuz that's all they had on em .( if this is incorrect I'm sure BigBear can correct me) but that has always been my experience..

Anyone can feel free to correct me with stories of your own . I'd enjoy hearing them and learning new things :-)

Hats off to Big Bear.

Bottom line... he and his wife are alive, neither of them is looking at charges and they aren't prepping for a "wrongful death" lawsuit.

Both of their coolness under pressure is worth emulating, and the results couldn't really be better.

[Beer]

After all, having a CCW isn't license to judge or punish the wicked, it's just license to carry a self defense tool. Just like martial arts training, knowing when not to use it is just as important as knowing how to use it.

I'm thankful that you and your family are safe! I think you handled the situation very well, and I'm thankful to know that there are responsible, level headed, squared away dudes out there like yourself. Kudos to your wife as well, I think her actions were equally well conducted given the situation!

Thank you for sharing!