Patches,Flags, t-shirts, cap[s

Greg H wrote: if someone takes offence and makes a bitch then we may not find ourselves welcome at McD's or anywhere else for that matter.

Who will these people "bitch" to? I just don't understand your unfounded fear of what people in McDonalds THINK of our shirts. Fear of being PC is what has allowed our gun rights to disolve over the last 20 years, but that is a topic for another thread. I never promoted any of the silly slogans you listed, or anything similar. Not a thing I suggested is offensive in way shape or form. I just think your gray shirt design is lame. I see no logical reason why we can't print up the tan design as well and each member can pick their flavor.

Come on guys lets not get in a pissing match over a friggen shirt.

Lets just do what 7idl said each person come up with a design and we will have a thread with a poll so everybody can vote on what they like best. Even if what wins is not my choice I will wear it it's really not a big deal. None of us are going to agree on everything lets just get something going.

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my suggestion:

yep... new thread with poll.

pictures of the shirts to choose from.

locked from posts but tacked to the top.

poll should remain open (open it up if not (duh))

then after a week, we'll see where things stand.

then we'll open a thread with the info to purchase.

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Originally Posted by Greg H.

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Originally Posted by Meateater

Greg H.,
If you read my initial post, I suggested as a club that we get a t-shirt to identify club members at the monthly shoots. This is for social, safety, and recruitment reasons.

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Believe what you will, but, if you will check, I think that you will find that I originaly suggested group t-shirts under the " Trashed shooting range under the gun " thread ( http://coloradoshooting.org/vweb/bul...r=asc&start=30 ), as a public relations & recrutement measure, 2 days before you said anything about the subject.

I don't think that you are looking at the entire picture.

You are right, this is for social and recruitment reasions, but we will also be dealing with the public.

While we are actualy shooting, and not actively recruting, doing a service project ( like the clean up ), or just standing around waiting for people to show up, what we wear realy doesn't matter ( unless the law shows up ).

Everytime we meet at a McD's before actualy heading to the range, I would be willing to bet that several hundred people will be driving by Hwy 24 or stoping at McD's to eat while we are standing around the shooting the breeze ( usualy for an hour ), and John Q Public will see us that entire time, and if someone takes offence and makes a bitch then we may not find ourselves welcome at McD's or anywhere else for that matter.

When we are doing a clean up, ( especialy one that may be covered by the media ), is most important to be taken seriously, and it is not going to happen if we are all wearing t-shirts that say " Born to shoot ", " Have you hugged you AR15 today? ", or " Have gun, will shoot ".

Heck being political correct means you never use AR15 is the first place, you use[ HOMELAND DEFENSE WEAPON ]at every chance you get.

Greg, Fix it for you. :mrgreen:

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For me, I prefer subdued colors in the clothing I wear. I'm partial to earth tones anyhow. It has nothing to do with my proclivity towards my training or utilization of equipment and arms. Those who condescend against either the traditional or more military oriented shooters just don't belong in this club. We accept all types of responsible shooters, short and long range, CQC and Benchers. It's a shame that the Jr. High Like name calling and antics have surfaced in this thread of all places!!!!

I also don't understand this argument regarding a change to the club logo either. Personally the logo is just peachy as is and if needs to be changed, it isn't a matter of site members, it is something that the club members should vote on. The rest of us ( I just haven't sent my membership money in) don't really have a say in the matter of the logo.

Aside from the front breast text I liked this one the best. The grey scale iteration of the current club logo looks great IMO. My preference on the front breast text would be something like "CO-AR15.COM" .. no fancy slogans or such, just the URL. I know someone caught that as well so that was covered.

http://customink.com/cink/create/ret...ast.net&F=arco


Did anyone ever give a look for embroidered hats or patches?

And thanks to you guys who have spent time on this. I for one appreciate your efforts Guys!


Why there is a pissing match going on I don't know, but for those of you participating in it, you're just jacking up the thread for the rest of us and I for one would appreciate it if you would take it out of the public forum before people lose interest in an otherwise excellent idea!

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Originally Posted by Meateater

Who will these people "bitch" to? I just don't understand your unfounded fear of what people in McDonalds THINK of our shirts. Fear of being PC is what has allowed our gun rights to disolve over the last 20 years, but that is a topic for another thread. I never promoted any of the silly slogans you listed, or anything similar. Not a thing I suggested is offensive in way shape or form. I just think your gray shirt design is lame. I see no logical reason why we can't print up the tan design as well and each member can pick their flavor.

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You mean besides the management, who if they deciede that we are a problem can have us banned from the property?

Besides the local media, which could give us a undeserved reputation?

Plenty of people, that in the end could make un-needed problems for us.


Look, shooters have been slandered for many years now, we already have a bad reputation for leaving junk laying around in the shooting areas, due to the actions of more than just a couple of people.

Why drop to the level of the anti-gunners and push them around by shoving our beliefs down everyones throat?

If we are reasionable, when they are not, we can show them to be for what they realy are, a bunch of people that want to take away the rights of law abiding citizens.

We will do more to preserve and restore our 2nd Amendment rights, by appearing to be ordenary people ( even if we are not ) that has a common hobby, than to appear as a bunch militants that doesn't have any respect for others.

If we look militant, people are going to think Waco TX and Ruby Ridge and probably will not want to know more about us. OTOH, if we look more like common folk with a simmiler hobby that they might be interested in joining.

We have a few people that shoot BP, and most are collecters of military type firearms, some of which are of historical nature. So why not also make this a point as well.

What proactive PR has this group done to make John Q Public less afraid of firearms?

Sure we do clean ups, but, for the most part, that is out of the public eye.

At one time, we pushed things like safe and responsable shooting as pat of the logo, is it no longer cool to let John Q Public know that?

Is it not cool to let John Q Public know that they have nothing to fear from us and our hobby?

That's the problem we have right now. John Q Public has been brainwashed by the media, to fear the "Black Rifle", and now we have to reverse that belief, because if we don't then all the cool macho T-shirts in the world will not retain our 2nd Amentment rights.


I would rather be a little un-Macho, a little un-Cool, than loose my rights to AR15's or any other firarms.

WOW! :roll: Greg, have you been to any of the machinegun shoots around here? At the last Dragon shoot I had a 37mm cannon and a mini-gun, almost 1000 people came out, and do you know how many news shows and newspapers we made it into? That would be 0 --zero--. Heck, we even INVITED the "Independant" out and they did'nt want to do a story about us. Ryan

Greg H wrote: You mean besides the management, who if they deciede that we are a problem can have us banned from the property? Besides the local media, which could give us a undeserved reputation?

Let me get this straight...if we all wear tan colored t-shirts you are afraid the management at McDonalds has the right to and will refuse our patronage and ban us from public property? And these same "evil" t-shirts are going to draw the attention of the media? Greg...its a T-SHIRT. That thinking is paranoid, and frankly un-American. Think about it.

I really don't care that much about the shirt. I just won't buy one and that will be the end of it, okay?

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Originally Posted by RYAN50BMG

WOW! :roll: Greg, have you been to any of the machinegun shoots around here? At the last Dragon shoot I had a 37mm cannon and a mini-gun, almost 1000 people came out, and do you know how many news shows and newspapers we made it into? That would be 0 --zero--. Heck, we even INVITED the "Independant" out and they did'nt want to do a story about us. Ryan

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It's not about being at shoots, it's before the shoot, when we are hanging around public places, waiting for everyone to show up.

Greg H.

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Originally Posted by Meateater

Let me get this straight...if we all wear tan colored t-shirts

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It's what's on the shirts, not the shirts them selves.

It's not about being unamerican, it's about consiterate to others. It is what being american is all about, not forcing your beliefes on others ( even if the anti gunners believe otherwise ).