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I was just asking. I don't know anything about the people he targeted. I'm under the impression that he attacked a camp that was full of the kids of people who are involved in politics over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
What is the 9/12 project?
The 9/12 project is the same thing as this, but by Glenn Beck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Sorry. The way I read it this morning, it sounded like you were trying to make a direct comparison.
If you look at his Manifesto and the people he targeted, its actually surprising. He had an impressive understanding of things and he managed to take out all of his "priority" targets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
In short, his reasoning is impressive, he just chose the wrong way to act upon it.
+1, what's the 9/12 project?
What a stand up guy you are. I'm sure you improved everyone's lives that day. Did you get a medal for butting in like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcantar18c
Did your mom ever yell at you? If some jackass came walking along while your father was yelling at you, and told your dad to "cool off a bit." I bet your dad would have knocked his teeth out.
I don't know why what you said bothered me so much, but it did. It's not even a big deal.
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Originally Posted by mcantar18c
Yeah, I was reading that article that was posted on here earlier. It is pretty irritating that he is made out to be some right wing terrorist, when it seems to be exactly the opposite. I'm sorry I snapped at you earlier.
Ooooooon another note, did you guys here that Germany raided something like 20? "right wing extremists" today. They told the media that this in no way had anything to do with the Norway bombing, and that this was the result of an on-going investigation. I don't buy it.
No offense taken Irving [Beer]. To answer your question, my mother has never done anything but yell, scream, criticize, and bitch at me. Never talked to me, only at me. Her and I have never gotten along for a number of reasons, but the way she communicated with me made it so I never wanted to do anything for her.
My father, on the other hand, has yelled at me twice in my life (I remember both, cause it was so unusual). When he needed to be firm and discipline me, he was and did, but he never yelled. When he wanted me to do something or change something, he reasoned with me and made me understand his reasons for what he was asking of me. I rarely disobeyed him.
I've seen both sides of the coin, and can tell you firsthand which one works the best. It also works best with the kids of a few of my family and friends... when they have trouble with them, they call Uncle Mason because their kids listen to me.
Irving (and whoever), check out these posts from the other forum I frequent. I found them pretty interesting...
(My additions in red)
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I've gone thru the threads here and seen a lot of questions asked, I figured on thread pertaining to the reasoning and mindset was better than a half dozen replies.
Why a youth camp? Two fold-
First was to stop further recruitment into the social labour party movement, many of the camp attendees were up and coming socialists. This wasn't a random youth camp, it was the Social Labour parties youth camp. - http://www.channel4.com/news/norways-lost-leaders
Second the ' modern day mother' of that party was speaking at the camp that day. Brundtland departed the camp shortly before he arrived. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...in-target.html
I don't know who would read all 1500+ pages of the 'manifesto' but skimming the bullet points from pages 38-60 shows he had a excellent understanding of the revisionist history being taught in the west (US and Europe) and threat posed by radical islam.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...hl=en_US&pli=1
I'm not going to waste my time reading this thing but it's quite easy to extrapolate he viewed those who were allowing the muslimazation (or however he termed) of Norway (and the west) were just as guilty are as the jihadists themselves. I haven't even looked to see if there is a summary towards the bottom.
He also shows a huge hatred of socialism and marxism and it's threat to freedom and liberty.
Aside from the sheer number of people he killed, it's staggering the number of 'priority' targets he killed. Aside from Brundtland, he seems to have gotten all of the rest he had targeted.
Interestingly enough, the first page (of the manifesto) is the Cross of St James. (The Cross of St. James is a big thing on the forum this was posted, and can be seen in my avatar pic here. Its also the basis for my next tattoo. St. James is the Patron St. of Spain, and is known as the "Matimoros" (sp) or "moor-slayer," literally meaning the Slayer of Muslims. I've been thinking about posting a thread about it here as I think yall would enjoyy learning about it. The Cross on the manifesto looks slightly different than mine, however they're both crosses of St. James.)
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The problem I have with A.B.B. (the shooter)is that while his analysis of many of the causal factors to the "decay of western civilization" were absolutely spot-on, his solution strategy is flawed.
In order to have the intimidation factor over an elongated period, he needed at least 4 things:
- A much higher body count
- A greater quality of targets destroyed
- More meaningful collateral impacts (e.g. economic)
- An ability to present a sustained threat to the other side
Islamists have been able to sustain both physical and economic impacts. The West has clung to multi-cultural idealism and labeled Islam the "Religion of Peace". While Al Quaeda's ability to strike has been reduced signficantly, and several plots have been thwarted, they retain the ability to strike in a way that can have material impact.
A.B.B. is one and done and is more likely to engender sympathy for the lefties than inspire others to join his cause.