Obama says same-sex couples should be able to marry

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05-10-2012, 01:18
Irving

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Originally Posted by GilpinGuy

I believe (strongly) that these "certain rights" were the ones specifically outlined by the founders and further amendments. Nothing else, ever, unless ratified by the States as a new Right through the proper process (not judicial activism) is a right.

Sounds like you should read the Constitution several more times then. One of the very first things that it says is that it is not an exclusive list of rights. I read the Constitution to say that anything that is not specifically deemed illegal, and does not infringe on the rights of others. Therefore, everything is a right, unless it is specifically stated to not be a right. Right?
05-10-2012, 01:52
GilpinGuy

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Originally Posted by Irving

Sounds like you should read the Constitution several more times then. One of the very first things that it says is that it is not an exclusive list of rights. I read the Constitution to say that anything that is not specifically deemed illegal, and does not infringe on the rights of others. Therefore, everything is a right, unless it is specifically stated to not be a right. Right?

The "not an exclusive list of rights" phrase was meant to mean (in my opinion, and others) that the list can be expanded by amendments, and, therefore, it's not exclusive. It's does not mean "yeah guys, anything else ya'll want in this silly thing we're writing is totally cool too". Why even put that phrase in there in the first place if it didn't have any specific meaning?

I think we're real close on all of this so I don't want to bait you or anything. It just steams me when folks talk about my "right" to do this or that. Some things just aren't "rights". So they shouldn't pretend they are.

If folks want gay marriage to be a "right" under the US Constitution, get it ratified by the States. That's my point.

Do I have a right to marry my dog? It's not specifically deemed illegal, and does not infringe on the rights of others. So why not?
05-10-2012, 06:49
Jumpstart

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Originally Posted by Ridge

And then treat it like shit.

So now since children are abused in the world ( your inference being exclusively by straight couples) we should allow homosexuals set aside priviledges? News flash: Homosexuals rape children,murder children, exploit children, steal, lie, assault, slander etc. as well.
05-10-2012, 07:25
tmleadr03

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Originally Posted by GilpinGuy

The "not an exclusive list of rights" phrase was meant to mean (in my opinion, and others) that the list can be expanded by amendments, and, therefore, it's not exclusive. It's does not mean "yeah guys, anything else ya'll want in this silly thing we're writing is totally cool too". Why even put that phrase in there in the first place if it didn't have any specific meaning?

I think we're real close on all of this so I don't want to bait you or anything. It just steams me when folks talk about my "right" to do this or that. Some things just aren't "rights". So they shouldn't pretend they are.

If folks want gay marriage to be a "right" under the US Constitution, get it ratified by the States. That's my point.

Do I have a right to marry my dog? It's not specifically deemed illegal, and does not infringe on the rights of others. So why not?

Your argument is flawed. Beastiality is against the law in I believe all the states.
05-10-2012, 07:34
BPTactical

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Originally Posted by tmleadr03

Your argument is flawed. Beastiality is against the law in I believe all the states.

You ever see a Nebraska cheerleader???
05-10-2012, 07:36
n8tive97

Just another slap in the face of conservatives... he is the worst president ever!
05-10-2012, 07:43
Ridge

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Originally Posted by Jumpstart

So now since children are abused in the world ( your inference being exclusively by straight couples) we should allow homosexuals set aside priviledges? News flash: Homosexuals rape children,murder children, exploit children, steal, lie, assault, slander etc. as well.

Please, tell me. Would you rather children only allowed to live in a family with one mother and one father, in which they are treated like shit, or do you think they should have the opportunity to live with a gay couple that will treat them nicely?

All your argument is saying is that gays are a lot like straight people. Doesn't really help your case that they should be treated differently.

Gun owners do all that shit, too. Should they be denied the right to raise children?
05-10-2012, 07:56
Rucker61

Gay couples are already living together, having sex and raising kids already. Nothing will change that. Allowing them to marry just gives them rights and protections enjoyed by couples who marry, under the law.
05-10-2012, 08:00
n8tive97

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Originally Posted by Ridge

Please, tell me. Would you rather children only allowed to live in a family with one mother and one father, in which they are treated like shit, or do you think they should have the opportunity to live with a gay couple that will treat them nicely?

All your argument is saying is that gays are a lot like straight people. Doesn't really help your case that they should be treated differently.

Gun owners do all that shit, too. Should they be denied the right to raise children?

So all gay couples are loving parents? There are no gay couples raising kids that treat their kids like shit?
05-10-2012, 08:06
Ridge

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Originally Posted by n8tive97

So all gay couples are loving parents? There are no gay couples raising kids that treat their kids like shit?

What about straight couples?

The argument was never that gay couples are better than straight couples. The argument is that they aren't any worse.

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