For all you 3rd Party Zealots

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Originally Posted by hollohas

Vote Mitt and get a small victory. Then we can reorganize, re-energize and take bigger steps over the next 4 years.

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I keep seeing this sentiment from you guys that want everyone to band together and support the guy who might be better than what we have. What's your plan then? After November are you all going to actually start actively campaigning for a Libertarian President in 2016? Or is this just rhetoric that helps you sleep at night?

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

Paul has a lot of good things to say, its cool you like his viewpoint and identify with his ideals. The problem here is he will never win an election. Period. Keep on believing and drinking the kool-aid, but its not going to happen. Is a third party possible? 200 years of history says no.

So what are we to do?

How about working from within to change the party? And maybe understand that ALL POLITICS are exactly that, politics? Maybe, just maybe, that is the right path.

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This is exactly what Ron Paul is doing. That's why he's running as a Republican and is going to be on the ticket in Tampa. He IS inspiring change from within. Check out the Audit the Fed Bill (H.R. 459)

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

I keep seeing this sentiment from you guys that want everyone to band together and support the guy who might be better than what we have. What's your plan then? After November are you all going to actually start actively campaigning for a Libertarian President in 2016? Or is this just rhetoric that helps you sleep at night?

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hahaha rhetoric helps sheep sleep at night... [ROFL1]

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

I keep seeing this sentiment from you guys that want everyone to band together and support the guy who might be better than what we have. What's your plan then? After November are you all going to actually start actively campaigning for a Libertarian President in 2016? Or is this just rhetoric that helps you sleep at night?

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I supported Paul financially (donations) , verbally everyday and visually (stickers and signs). It didn't work. Now it's plan B.

I am not going to get tunnel vision watching the Maginot Line while I get flanked through the Ardennes. Got to beat BO even if Plan A didn't work.

PS - just to be clear, Yes, I will again actively campaign for Libertarians for the next 4 years and beyond.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Oh, really? Well what the fuck are you doing that's so life-altering that the rest of us should listen to you...much less follow your advice?

And I have news for you. I'm plenty active politically and I'm a vocal advocate for what I believe in. I'm so sick and tired of all the 3rd party bullshit that I could just scream. I don't have 100 years to fix the system. I have to work with what I have for the remaining 20 to 30 years of my life. And right now, what I have, is the 2 party system. So you can peddle your 3rd party snake oil all you want. Your gonna find very few buyers.

Furthermore, you're preaching to the segment of the population (those that love freedom and believe in the constitution) who is most likely to listen to you. And you're not even convincing to most of us. What do you think the true liberals/lefties think when they read your bullshit? I guarantee you you're not convincing to many of them, either.

Bottom line is, take your 3rd party fairytales and kiss my ass. And after all your hardass tough guy posturing what have you come up with? Oh, yeah...that's right. What many of us have been saying all along. A vote for anyone other than the Republican nominee is basically a vote for Romney.

So much for all your preaching. But I think I'll stick to the church of common sense. And, I will vote my conscience. I will vote for the candidate I think best represents what I believe in, even if that candidate isn't perfect. I will vote for the candidate that I think will do the best job...even if it's not a perfect job. I will make every possible effort to convince others that my decision is the right decision for this election and will encourage them to vote in a like manner, for the same candidate. I will not vote for some pie-in-the-sky, minor player. Especially this year...and probably not next time either.

Fuckin' deal with it.

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I agree 100%. They're going about it all wrong. Saying things like "2 party system, YOU'RE what's wrong with this country," congrats, instead of embracing my vote you just pushed it away. I have family and friends that have and always will vote Republican, no matter what... Hell, I can't even convince them to switch from Whiskey to Bourbon, what makes you think I'll be able to get them to move on a much bigger ticket item like voting? If you're looking to move away from the 2 party system how about you go back to school and learn how to come up with a persuasive argument first? You can't get people to side with you if you attack them. I suggest you read this and then try again.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

I supported Paul financially (donations) , verbally everyday and visually (stickers and signs). It didn't work. Now it's plan B.

I am not going to get tunnel vision watching the Maginot Line while I get flanked through the Ardennes. Got to beat BO even if Plan A didn't work.

PS - just to be clear, Yes, I will again actively campaign for Libertarians for the next 4 years and beyond.

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Here's one who gets it! [Beer]

"I won't vote third-party because you guys are mean." [Cry]

I'm paraphrasing of course, but a lot of you keep saying this. If that's the best you can come up with, I suggest you leave the voting to those with the ability to think for themselves.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

I supported Paul financially (donations) , verbally everyday and visually (stickers and signs). It didn't work. Now it's plan B.

I am not going to get tunnel vision watching the Maginot Line while I get flanked through the Ardennes. Got to beat BO even if Plan A didn't work.

PS - just to be clear, Yes, I will again actively campaign for Libertarians for the next 4 years and beyond.

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I appreciate this. I too gave to Paul's campaign, and I will never stop supporting his cause and supporting the spread of liberty, but this election cycle has basically been decided before its even begun. Plan B sucks, but it's better than trying to take the morning-after pill...

mitt isn't a small victory, he's a small-er loss.

the problem is multi faceted. 1. the media controls what we see, therefore can direct what we think. if we continually see that there is no chance for a third party, even when an overwhelming majority would support it, it never gets any legs.

2. a certain segment of the population is convinced that a and b are the only choices, see #1.

3. some who see that c is a better choice than a or b refuse to vote for c because he has no.chance. see#1.

4. some people will vote what they've always voted because change is scary.

5 some will belittle the position of those who actively seek change because ...it can't happen this time. and that's the excuse.every time. see number one.




vote for who you think.is gonna win, because that's what you were told and fulfill the prophecy that the media creates for you.


or stand for what is.right. regardless of whether or not it will win, convince your friends to do the same and watch the magic.

Wasn't it Mr. Clemens that opined "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."