F**K everyone that voted for ocare

heres some facts right here....

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...e-outlier.html

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Originally Posted by nynco

heres some facts right here....

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...e-outlier.html

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Life expectancy is not a valid comparison of health care delivery. Its dominated by life style choices, accident rates and other things utterly unrelated to health care delivery.

Forbes piece that illustrates that your "facts" aren't.

What would also enlighten you , nynco, is to read this paper from the British Medical Journal comparing the NHS to California's Kaiser Permanente.

They conclude that Kaiser provided better care than the NHS for roughly equivalent costs.

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Bullshit. Every single "socialist" healthcare system in the world sucks ass, and they are all going more and more privatized as they figure that out. Sorry but you lose that argument. You need to wake up and take an economics class or two.

Could you please point to factual proof to your emotional rant. Because I know for a fact that when Canadians were polled a few years back about trading their healthcare system for ours - 90% said NO. I also know for a fact that our measurable outcomes like infant mortality are way behind many of those socialist nations you fear.

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China is privatizing health care
Russia has privatized health care
France is moving steadily towards privatizing all but basic healthcare
Canada is also moving advanced healthcare to the private sector, while basic healthcare is provided. MOST Canadians are not happy with thier healthcare system, and thats a fact Jack. I visit Canadia a couple times a year, and there is a lot of unhappiness with thier socialist programs
The UK healthcare system is a joke, using it as an example shows how truly ignorant you are.
The German system is slowly being revamped, and may work better in the future, but in this case you have to look at how the system is administered and the mindset of its people, They are German, not American.

Seriously, you need to start reading facts and not rhetoric.

I have lived in Germany been to most all of Europe grew up on the border of Canada and go back all the time. ALL countries are always unhappy with things and trying to fix them. But when asked if they wanted a system like ours 90% said NO...

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I have lived in Germany been to most all of Europe grew up on the border of Canada and go back all the time. ALL countries are always unhappy with things and trying to fix them. But when asked if they wanted a system like ours 90% said NO...

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I find that hard to believe since so many come here for advanced medical care...

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I find that hard to believe since so many come here for advanced medical care...

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Mostly the wealthy. Which is why the NBER link I cited above noted that Canada has a greater disparity of health care among the classes than the US does.

No one in Canada goes bankrupt or loses everything they own to a healthcare related issue. We on the other hand... well that happens all the time.

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No one in Canada goes bankrupt or looses everything they own to a healthcare related issue. We on the other hand... well that happens all the time.

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An exaggeration based on rather fraudulent academic work by the liar who got elected senator in Massachusetts. The number of bankruptcies in the US caused by health care costs is not that large.

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Originally Posted by spqrzilla

An exaggeration based on rather fraudulent academic work by the liar who got elected senator in Massachusetts. The number of bankruptcies in the US caused by health care costs is not that large.

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JUST ONE BANKRUPTCY...IS TOO MANY!!!1111one