This guy stepped over the line...

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Originally Posted by NMB2

I do now understand what you meant though Whistler, and I can't disagree. I can just explain my thought.

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Oops, already wrote a book to clarify [Beer]

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Originally Posted by Whistler

Oops, already wrote a book to clarify [Beer]

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What I'm not sure if you grasped about my comment on people owning firearms and training wasn't so much aimed towards the guy in this story, or gun owners in general, but the masses of people that agreed with what he did, and congratulating him.

Whether it be smack talk over the net or not, if people truly think what has been alleged this guy did is justified, those are the ones my comments are geared towards.

To wait 24 hours before calling the police, moving bodies around is just bizarre. The man clearly has some mental issues going on.

@DavieD55 - Certainly suspicious in the context of what is known. Time will tell.

@NMB2 - Internet tough guys, if you've been around as much as I inferred from your comments you are aware half of them would freeze.

Mostly I interpret that type of comment to mean they support a self-defense doctrine as opposed to condoning murder in general and just consider it over-zealous fueled by anonymity.

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Originally Posted by Whistler

Don't think I'm alone in this crowd but I frequently (usually) wear a pistol at home and can reach more than one rifle from where I'm sitting at the moment. Not condemning or supporting the guy until all the facts are in though the age of the criminals is irrelevant IMO.

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Interesting, I always kinda figure when I'm in the house the multiple guns in multiple rooms thing pretty much covers it. To each their own. And I agree the age of these 2 is completely irrelevant to the situation, but I'm just saying there's a LOT of things that are REALLY fishy about how things went down and especially his statement to the PD.

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Originally Posted by NMB2

...who he borderline lured into his basement. Then after identifying that they were unarmed and not a threat...

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Where did you get the information to even form this thought, let alone support it?

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Originally Posted by Irving

Where did you get the information to even form this thought, let alone support it?

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His statement.

He heard them come in, and waited for them. After shooting the first one, acknowledged he was not armed then shot him in the face. Moved the body and sat back down and without calling police waited for the girl as he heard her walk around up stairs.

Shot her as she walked down, acknowledged she was not armed, but she pissed him off when he thought he heard her laugh so that means "you go again".... POS mini-14 jammed... so he pumped several rounds into her chest with the revolver, drug her body onto the tarp, and then shot her from "chin to cranium"

I think that is plenty of evidence for me to form that thought.

Can you expand on how he lured them into his basement?

Also, when you hear someone break into your house on the ground floor and start walking around while you are in the basement, what is the preferred action? Where is the line between staying in the defensible basement, and waiting for someone?

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Originally Posted by Irving

Can you expand on how he lured them into his basement?

Also, when you hear someone break into your house on the ground floor and start walking around while you are in the basement, what is the preferred action? Where is the line between staying in the defensible basement, and waiting for someone?

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Dialing 911 and staying on line. IF there is no way out find something to get behind. If there is a way out are you sure no other members are lurking. Stay put, stay alert and stay on line, with the 911 dispatcher.
The guy murdered them, by his own statement, put a gun to their head (loosely interpreted) and executed them. As a gun owner and very Pro 2A supporter there is (IMO) no way i can defend this guy, again, by his own statement to the police.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Can you expand on how he lured them into his basement?

Also, when you hear someone break into your house on the ground floor and start walking around while you are in the basement, what is the preferred action? Where is the line between staying in the defensible basement, and waiting for someone?

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I said borderline lured.

I say this because his own admission was that it was several minutes between the boy and the girl..... Instead of calling the police in this time frame as any rational human being would do..... he drug the boy out of the stair well and onto a tarp, probably to not alarm any other intruder coming down. Remember, he said he wanted them both dead.... a dead body at the bottom of the stair well would of made the girl freak out.

He sat back down and waited, this is his own admission. Therefore I perceive these actions as borderline luring the girl into the basement.

As for how I would of handed the situation.... he had plenty of time to phone the police before his first encounter with the boy. Calling the police would of been my first move......

Secondly, its 1pm on Thanksgiving..... not typical armed robbery hours. I would of probably waited to see who it was before firing at someones legs, could of been anyone, but lets just say I am an idiot and I shot someone in the waist.... as they tumbled down the stairs, I walk over and realize that this is a young man, unarmed, myself or my wife would of phoned the police while I grabbed my IFAK.

If while I was treating him I heard more footsteps, I would of dropped what I was doing and grabbed my fire arm... chances are he would of told me that it was his dumbass fawking cousin, I would of told them to stop moving. (escalation of force)... by this time I'm very sure police would of already been on the scene, probably before the girl was heard upstairs when 911 gets a phone call that someone is shot.