Yep. This says it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
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Yep. This says it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Focus on local elections. Voting a straight R ticket will keep us in this cycle. Now is the time for a true 3rd party to form. We'd have already elected a Libertarian president if everyone who calls themselves independent or libertarian actually voted in line with their ideals.
I wonder how much the Clinton Foundation has paid Matt Drudge to cheerlead for the Donald?
Probably much less than Cruz's wife's contacts at Goldman Sachs are paying Fox and Levin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hummer
Yeah seriously... Drudge is not even trying to be unbiased. Just plain pandering and promoting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hummer
No thanks. I'd rather see the Constitution Party take hold any day over the Libertarian Party. That would be a party a true conservative could support. I don't see much difference from the progressives in many libertarian ideals. Like the "if it feels good, do it, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" type of attitude. That's part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by COShooter
I'm fine with either, frankly. The difference between those parties and the Rs or Ds is simply that they have a desire to do right. The Ds and Rs have long ago abandoned the desire to do right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I have a a problem with some libertarian ideals, but the "do whatever as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" ideal I actually support. If it doesn't hurt anyone else in any way, what don't you like? That's called liberty and freedom in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Because that's pretty much a pipe dream. It's great to talk about...not so easy to put into practice. The legalized drug thing is the perfect example.
Yes, focus on local elections but the rest of it is bogus. A third party only ensures the continued domination of the Democrats and their anti-Western/Christian/American/whatever agenda. The GOP itself only exists because the Whigs folded under and completely disappeared. You can take over the Republican Party and win as Theodore Roosevelt did in 1904 but you can't win by fracturing forces -- all Roosevelt did in 1912 with the Bull Moose Party was give Woodrow Wilson an undeserved win.Quote:
Originally Posted by COShooter
You seem to assume that everyone registered as Unaffiliated (the American Independent Party is a whole other beast as some idiot celebrities in California just found out) would vote Libertarian. That just isn't so. There are some of us unaffiliateds that think Gary Johnson or Rand Paul are as off their rocker on certain issues as we think Mitch McConnell needs to join Boehner in retirement.
People are individuals. Some "libertarians" are simply liberals (NOT progressives!) or anarchists who don't want to pay taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
What does the Constitution have to say about drugs' legal status?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
You wanna start a thread about that I'll be more than happy to discuss it.Quote:
Originally Posted by COShooter
Our laws are so focussed on the gov protecting us from ourselves. They should be focused on justice for those that harm others. Want to fuck yourself up? Fine. Harm anyone else at all and you will be accountable. Edit: That's how it SHOULD be. It's not and that's why it can seem like a pipe dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Besides the drug thing, what other freedoms do you think should be illegal?
The whole "if it feels good, do it, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" needs its own thread - we're way OT now.
Agreed. Partly my fault.
No comments on Trump's glorious victory tonight? The Assclown Circus continues. That's what I think of every time I hear some shit about elections. [LOL]
Yep, it's time to get behind Trump so Hillary does not get to go back to the White House.
I won't vote for Trump.
Why bother? Apparently it doesen't matter if you do or don't anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Trump was predicted to win big last night...and he did. No news there. Still not clear if he will get to 1237 or a contested convention. Interesting that for the first time in many years, Kalifornias primary actually might be interesting...
Yes, I'm getting more and more this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
In the beginning it was anyone but Hillary. Trump and Hillary are very nearly the same person, progressive, authoritarian, above the law, ignorant, deceitful, boorish. Neither would support a pro-constitution Supreme Court justice, not that it matters since John Roberts was co-opted by the Obama administration. Both want single-payer, both are in the pocket of a deeply flawed financial system, both want to have "the divine right of kings", neither believe in God and country, and the list could go on.
If she does. It would be the first time a woman has sat not only at the oval office desk, but under it.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
If you mean, at the same time - Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
I'm pretty sure several Women have already sat under that British wooden desk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Don't forget your ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
So who then? If he's the candidate, then what is your ballot choice?
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Originally Posted by Irving
Yes! Too bad most do not understand this concept.[Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by GilpinGuy
I'm still waiting for a separate thread on that topic. Then we can discuss the lack of personal responsibility among other things inherent with "do whatever as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else".Quote:
Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker
This topic isn't about how most people on this board would behave, it would be about how 90% of the population would behave.
I will say the same thing to the NeverTrumpers as I would the NeverCruzers or NeverBushers: We cannot afford another 4 years of a Democratic Administration. Trump is far from the conservative I want in the office but he also isn't Hillary or Obama.
BTW, as far as Trump's complaints about Cruz "stealing" delegates go, see http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/04...ast-primaries/. Trump is getting more delegates per vote than Cruz and he's getting them primarily from states that he's unlikely to win in the General. Be that as it may, he has a chance to go to the convention with enough delegates to win nomination on the first round. If so, people need to understand the Dems are the enemy and as bad as Trump may be, he's not as bad as anyone the Dems might field. Anyone. Are people still under the misapprehension (confusion?) that the US would still be as bad off if Romney had won in 2012 or McCain <shudder> had won in 2008? Do we understand the long term damage that Obama has created, that Hillary or Bernie or Uncle Joe would exacerbate?
Maybe no one. Voting for Trump is the same as voting for Obama in 2008. His followers like him because he isn't a career politician and want a GOP favorite. Those are two things that many people, including myself, have been asking to have for years, BUT it's not enough. Trump wouldn't make a good president, so he doesn't deserve a vote, no matter who he's running against.Quote:
Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker
There is certainly an argument for voting party line just to keep the other guys out of the office, but only to a point. I'm so tired of believing that my future will be greatly affected by who is in office this term or that term. That is a bullshit mindset that is easy to crawl into at moments of weakness. It largely doesn't matter.
So this is ok?
From last night:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?408722-...eech&start=515
"So we wild build on a strong progressive tradition, from Franklin Roosevelt to Barack Obama!" - HRC
It doesn't matter if it's okay or not. I've got one vote, it only counts as one vote, and it's not going to Hillary.
I have no idea how I will vote if that Buffoon is nominated. Hillary should be sent to jail and Trump should be going to a sychopathic sanitarium. I can't believe this election and there was a good chance at beating Hillary too. Hell, I could have supported any other Republican candidate including Christie, and I hate that fucker. I can't see Trump winning over the independents so what I think doesn't really matter because he has no shot at winning the election, and we should be thankful for that. I can't believe so many people supported that idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Believe it:
http://theweek.com/speedreads/621022...ominee-history
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Donald Trump is on pace to get more primary votes than any GOP nominee in history
A lot of people are as crazy as he is; Trump is the American equivalent of Kim Jong Un and he should not be trusted as the Commander and Chief of this country. I am undecided at this point because I am not sure he is the lesser of two evils, which is really really bad because Hillary is horrific.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Then vote for Melania
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/fashion/....w529.h352.jpg
Instead of Huma Jihadi Abedin Weiner
http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2...uma-abedin.jpg
Not going to Hillary isn't the same as voting to keep her out of office. Perot voters didn't vote for Bill but their votes ensured we got Bill and everything that went with him (1994 AWB, extreme liberal SCOTUS justices, decimation and corruption of the DOJ, etc.). Trump was the bottom or nearly to bottom of my list for the 17 original candidates but we cannot afford for Hillary or Bernie or Uncle Joe to continue to pervert the SCOTUS and DOJ and BLM and other instruments of federal power. BHO has done more than enough damage to last to mid-century and beyond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I don't buy the whole " this country can't afford [insert pet agenda here]."
I see this the same as buying American. I like to buy American, but only when it's a product worth the value; otherwise you're just rewarding mediocrity (at best ). Trump isn't a good product, so he doesn't get my vote. Whoever else is running on the ballot is completely inconsequential to the fact that I won't vote for Trump.
Cruz chooses Fiorina as his running mate.