SENATE'S GUN CONTROL READING * LIVE

Been listening all morning......about ready to puke listening to these D bags talk.

Dont know how the afternoon is going to go....

I have a feeling i may need to run up the street [Beer]

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Originally Posted by neversummer900

Agreed he did more to undermine the power of the constitution as the supreme law of the land. But his words are true The United States belongs to the people not the government. That was where I see the light in his statement.

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Agreed, but realisticly, I equate it to Obummer saying the same thing as to the weight of credibility. IE, none with me. It's just one of my stings is all. [Beer]

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Originally Posted by jslo

Have not seen the text for myself but someone here on the floor said something to the effect it would not have to be transferred if it did not leave the home.

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You cant go by what people say. It is meaningless. For example, some woman said that dont worry your friend can borrow and transport the gun to go hunting no worries. But the bill does not say that. it says

(e) A 1 TEMPORARY TRANSFER OF POSSESSION WITHOUT TRANSFER
2 OF OWNERSHIP OR A TITLE TO OWNERSHIP, WHICH TRANSFER TAKES PLACE:
3 (I) AT A SHOOTING RANGE LOCATED IN OR ON PREMISES OWNED OR
4 OCCUPIED BY A DULY INCORPORATED ORGANIZATION ORGANIZED FOR
5 CONSERVATION PURPOSES OR TO FOSTER PROFICIENCY IN FIREARMS;
6 (II) AT A TARGET FIREARM SHOOTING COMPETITION UNDER THE
7 AUSPICES OF, OR APPROVED BY, A STATE AGENCY OR A NONPROFIT
8 ORGANIZATION; OR
9 (III) WHILE HUNTING, FISHING, TARGET SHOOTING, OR TRAPPING

Under the language of the bill temporary possession is only lawful while your friend is engaged in the act of hunting.

They lie on the floor, either due to not understanding what is in the bill, or quite frankly, more likely due to - malice.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

Democrat or Republican? I haven't seen any indication that the Democrats understand any of the bill.

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Agreed. A Democrat made the statement and a Republican attempted to get clarification. Like most everything else in these bills, very little is clear.

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Originally Posted by XC700116

Reading the text of that, I would say that anything the trust holds before the law goes into effect is grandfathered. IE GET IT DONE NOW!!

I would also venture to guess that as long as the item/firearms stays in the trust, an added trustee would not have to have BGC's for each and every item. Because they are added to the trust, not an item added to the trust.

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Yeah, we've been dealing with the trust thing for awhile now, it's been a learning experience. I also understand from that text, if we purchase any other firearms, we both need to go through/pay for background checks every time we transfer anything into the trust. Figuring the kids into this too will be interesting. This sucks.

Seems to me I25 truck stops in Cheyenne are gonna` get a whole lot busier. Nice going you idiot dems! I will not comply,furthermore, I`m confident 1229 will be found to be unconstitutuional.

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Originally Posted by Katastrophic

Yeah, we've been dealing with the trust thing for awhile now, it's been a learning experience. I also understand from that text, if we purchase any other firearms, we both need to go through/pay for background checks every time we transfer anything into the trust. Figuring the kids into this too will be interesting. This sucks.

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That would be true, yes

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Originally Posted by lowbeyond

You cant go by what people say. It is meaningless. For example, some woman said that dont worry your friend can borrow and transport the gun to go hunting no worries. But the bill does not say that. it says

(e) A 1 TEMPORARY TRANSFER OF POSSESSION WITHOUT TRANSFER
2 OF OWNERSHIP OR A TITLE TO OWNERSHIP, WHICH TRANSFER TAKES PLACE:
3 (I) AT A SHOOTING RANGE LOCATED IN OR ON PREMISES OWNED OR
4 OCCUPIED BY A DULY INCORPORATED ORGANIZATION ORGANIZED FOR
5 CONSERVATION PURPOSES OR TO FOSTER PROFICIENCY IN FIREARMS;
6 (II) AT A TARGET FIREARM SHOOTING COMPETITION UNDER THE
7 AUSPICES OF, OR APPROVED BY, A STATE AGENCY OR A NONPROFIT
8 ORGANIZATION; OR
9 (III) WHILE HUNTING, FISHING, TARGET SHOOTING, OR TRAPPING

Under the language of the bill temporary possession is only lawful while your friend is engaged in the act of hunting.

They lie on the floor, either due to not understanding what is in the bill, or quite frankly, more likely due to - malice.

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I agree. Admitted I hadn't seen the text itself.

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Originally Posted by XC700116

It needs to be done before it goes into effect, because the trust transfer is killed in an amendment to the bill.

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This looks like the trust portion. Does this mean that my 6 and 9 year olds will have to do background check when transferring firearms into the trust since they're the beneficiaries?

(b) AS USED IN THIS SECTION, UNLESS THE CONTEXT REQUIRES
17 OTHERWISE, "TRANSFEREE" MEANS A PERSON WHO DESIRES TO RECEIVE OR
18 ACQUIRE A FIREARM FROM A TRANSFEROR. IF A TRANSFEREE IS NOT A
19 NATURAL PERSON BUT A CORPORATION, ASSOCIATION, PARTNERSHIP, OR
20 LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY OR TRUST, THE REQUIREMENT DESCRIBED IN
21 THIS SUBSECTION (1) SHALL BE INTERPRETED TO REQUIRE A BACKGROUND
22 CHECK OF EACH MEMBER, PARTNER, OFFICER, OR OTHER PERSON WHO
23 HOLDS A BENEFICIAL INTEREST IN THE CORPORATION, ASSOCIATION,
24 PARTNERSHIP, OR LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY OR TRUST.

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Originally Posted by XC700116

Reading the text of that, I would say that anything the trust holds before the law goes into effect is grandfathered. IE GET IT DONE NOW!!

I would also venture to guess that as long as the item/firearms stays in the trust, an added trustee would not have to have BGC's for each and every item. Because they are added to the trust, not an item added to the trust.

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Nope. There is no grandfathering language. What it says is that even though items are in a trust you still need a BCG to transfer them between members of the trust.

SHALL BE INTERPRETED TO REQUIRE A BACKGROUND
22 CHECK OF EACH MEMBER, PARTNER, OFFICER, OR OTHER PERSON WHO
23 HOLDS A BENEFICIAL INTEREST IN THE CORPORATION, ASSOCIATION,
24 PARTNERSHIP, OR LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY OR TRUST.

Now of course that is what the law says. It is up to you if you want to comply.