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04-23-2013, 12:04
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

When you've been sued for 16 million dollars because some punk kid lies about what you did, and have to spend 7 days in a federal courtroom proving your innocence, let me know how you feel then.

Such it is due to the highly and ridiculously litigious nature of our modern society... Hence why I use the follow so frequently these days:
http://i.imgur.com/Fj3D8Cj.jpg
I totally understand your reasoning for no longer wanting to be a LEO anymore- the bullshit wears on you quick, I'll bet.
04-23-2013, 12:11
losttrail

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad4000

Im more on the side that some form of martial law was insituted... i am very uncomfortable that they can shut down all transportation, and communications.. (yes "all" means cell phones, I realize internet was up)..

Do you guys have a plan if you and your spouse are seperated when the nice man with the officers standing behind him asks very politely for you to stay in your house? (yes you sensed sarcasm there lol).. have a plan for when this happens and your kids are at daycare? food for thought......

Yes. If you are between me and my wife and/or kids and you in any way want to inhibit my ability to unify my family, you have just become the enemy. You suffer the consequences. I wall use any and all means at my disposal or that I may acquire to remove you as an obstacle.

God, family, friends. In taht order. Nothing follows.
04-23-2013, 12:20
losttrail

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin13

I can't find anything, but I'm curious to know, are we sure the SIP request was for the entirety of Boston or just Watertown? Having been to both locations (Boston, Watertown and Cambridge) I can say that the actual area in question isn't very large.

I'm not saying you can't ask questions, but you are criticizing the actions of a department based solely on emotion and speculative conjecture, and without offering how you would do it differently I would say that it's counter-productive to be overly critical when you yourself claim you don't have all the facts.

I'm sorry if it came across as criticism. I respect (for the vast majority) of law enforcement and the job they do. I'm currently attend our local PD's Civilian Police Academy, know some cops, have been friends with some before, have had friends that were FBI, DEA, DHS.

I just found some things that seemd to be at a bit of a disconnect from my perspective.

Again, I respect most police and law enforcement. That does not mean that I will blindly accept everything the DEPARTMENTS do without questioning.

Sorry for the confusion. But again, I do not trust the government/politicians based upon their past and current history. Actions speak louder than words.
04-23-2013, 12:41
clublights

For all of you Tin foil hat wearers calling the REQUEST an Order....

... answer me this

What if this kid had gotten on the the T with some of his homemade grenades and his pistol.. then got in a shoot out with the police on a crowded train... setting off one or two of those grenades?

What if they had not sent the request and this creep rolled into an elementary school dropping grenades into class rooms as he strolled thru ?

What if they had not asked for the SIP and they got into a firefight in the middle of a crowded street during rush hour ?

then what would you be saying ?

Shutting down the T was a good idea. requesting the secure in place was a good idea.

unless someone can show me different no one was arrested for goin on the street despite the SIP request. some may have been detained but no one was arrested.

Lucky for the police the sheeple don't know the difference between an order and a request. but most of them taking the request as an order it allowed the cops to search without the chances of a firefight with a crap load of innocents in the open.

As to the door to door searches.... well I started a thread on that that morning.. go find it and we can talk about it more there.
04-23-2013, 12:42
Dave_L

http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU

Not enough tin foil!
04-23-2013, 12:50
losttrail

Quote:

Originally Posted by clublights

For all of you Tin foil hat wearers calling the REQUEST an Order....

... answer me this

What if this kid had gotten on the the T with some of his homemade grenades and his pistol.. then got in a shoot out with the police on a crowded train... setting off one or two of those grenades?

What if they had not sent the request and this creep rolled into an elementary school dropping grenades into class rooms as he strolled thru ?

What if they had not asked for the SIP and they got into a firefight in the middle of a crowded street during rush hour ?

then what would you be saying ?

Shutting down the T was a good idea. requesting the secure in place was a good idea.

unless someone can show me different no one was arrested for goin on the street despite the SIP request. some may have been detained but no one was arrested.

Lucky for the police the sheeple don't know the difference between an order and a request. but most of them taking the request as an order it allowed the cops to search without the chances of a firefight with a crap load of innocents in the open.

As to the door to door searches.... well I started a thread on that that morning.. go find it and we can talk about it more there.

What if Bostonians were not 99% disarmed?

What if our politicians had created a national, state and local attitude that ALL CITIZENS are responsible for our own, our family and our neighbors welfare instead of relying on a telephone and hiding under the bed?

What if we lived in a nation where it was known that 50% or more of the adult populace was potentially armed and trained?

What if we lived in a nation where terrorism of any kind was not tolerated?

What if we lived in a nation that did not coddle criminals or criminal behavior?

What if we lived in a nation where the death penalty was used as a deterent not just an opportunity for criminals to have access to law books that most lawyers cannot afford, unlimited appeals, 10, 15, 20, 40 years of free room and board, free healthcare, free education, now free sex change operations?

What if we lived in a nation of people that believed in their own personal freedom and personal responsibility?

I for one never called the SIP request an order. I simply called into question whether or not this could have been viewed as a training exercise for seeing how the masses will react to potential martial laws scenarios in the future. I believe that some of the measures were prudent. But timing and other measures make me wonder.
04-23-2013, 12:50
muddywings

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Really don't know what sparked the idea of the thread, honestly. And frankly, I got out of LE when I did for a couple of reasons...one of which was I didn't like the direction LE was going from my early days. So I completely understand the sensitivities some have to LE abusing their powers. On the other hand I can tell you that even the most remote sign of misconduct on the street towards a complaining citizen was unlikely to end well for the officers. At least in the places I worked. This whole "abuse" thing works both ways.

When you've been sued for 16 million dollars because some punk kid lies about what you did, and have to spend 7 days in a federal courtroom proving your innocence, let me know how you feel then.

Honestly, the reasons you stated were the exact reasons why I left except I hadn't been sued yet. I figured time to move on before that happened or before I had issues with a supervisor.
04-23-2013, 12:52
Bailey Guns

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_L

http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU

Not enough tin foil!

Wow...
04-23-2013, 12:54
muddywings

Quote:

Originally Posted by clublights

For all of you Tin foil hat wearers calling the REQUEST an Order....

... answer me this

What if this kid had gotten on the the T with some of his homemade grenades and his pistol.. then got in a shoot out with the police on a crowded train... setting off one or two of those grenades?

What if they had not sent the request and this creep rolled into an elementary school dropping grenades into class rooms as he strolled thru ?

What if they had not asked for the SIP and they got into a firefight in the middle of a crowded street during rush hour ?

then what would you be saying ?

Shutting down the T was a good idea. requesting the secure in place was a good idea.

unless someone can show me different no one was arrested for goin on the street despite the SIP request. some may have been detained but no one was arrested.

Lucky for the police the sheeple don't know the difference between an order and a request. but most of them taking the request as an order it allowed the cops to search without the chances of a firefight with a crap load of innocents in the open.

As to the door to door searches.... well I started a thread on that that morning.. go find it and we can talk about it more there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by losttrail

What if Bostonians were not 99% disarmed?

What if our politicians had created a national, state and local attitude that ALL CITIZENS are responsible for our own, our family and our neighbors welfare instead of relying on a telephone and hiding under the bed?

What if we lived in a nation where it was known that 50% or more of the adult populace was potentially armed and trained?

What if we lived in a nation where terrorism of any kind was not tolerated?

What if we lived in a nation that did not coddle criminals or criminal behavior?

What if we lived in a nation where the death penalty was used as a deterent not just an opportunity for criminals to have access to law books that most lawyers cannot afford, unlimited appeals, 10, 15, 20, 40 years of free room and baord, free healthcare, free education, now free sex change operations?

What if we lived in a nation of people that believed in their own personal freedom and personal responsibility?

What if the FBI followed up on the leads provided by FSB on the older brother?

I'm not a personal fan of the what if games. What if we would have banned all those assault rifles and nasty high capacity clips back in the 90s permanently...Sandy Hook would not have happened?
Freedom ain't pretty even when [shithitsfan]
04-23-2013, 13:00
muddywings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_L

http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU

Not enough tin foil!

Even I don't keep that much tinfoil around!

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