Minimum Wage

These protests are led by SEIU. The same crooked outfit that partnered with ACORN in voter registration fraud, harassing Obama's opponents, thugging up TEA Party rallies etc.

Goons.

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski

It amazes me that society (not anyone in particular) is so bothered by CEO pay. This was a huge issue for those occupy dead-weighters and definitely for journalists.
These same people are OK with pop-stars, entertainers, athletes making WAY more than CEOs, but it is the CEOs who are evil.

We used to celebrate success in this country, now we demonize it. You have to pay for talent. Not everyone can run a huge company which has so many stakeholders, such as tons of employees, contractors, supply chain partners, tons of customers, possibly press, and certainly investors/shareholders to all answer to. This isn't a job anyone can do or that we should all get to "take turns" at. $0.02 Success with that much leverage and pressure should be highly rewarded. Just MHO, of course.

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Yup, pretty much. For me, I don't want to be the CEO of a major corp because of all the work it entails. I'd rather take a lower paying job that allows me freedoms in my life outside of work. I'd hate to be tied to my email/cell phone 24/7.

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Originally Posted by Dave_L

Yup, pretty much. For me, I don't want to be the CEO of a major corp because of all the work it entails. I'd rather take a lower paying job that allows me freedoms in my life outside of work. I'd hate to be tied to my email/cell phone 24/7.

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You're in luck The clown is holding a major hiring program. Downside is you need to relocate to NYC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbuJYhX3prc


I thought this was entertaining.

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Originally Posted by Sawin

I say fire the lot of them, let the franchise owners decide if they're willing to hire a unionized bunch, then let the operations manager of each restaurant determine the pay scale for their establishments....

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That is actually S.O.P. for many corporate department stores, supermarkets, and restaurants . . . but since it is illegal to fire employees for forming a union to engage in collective bargaining, the tactic is just to close the store and relocate the managers. It makes a fairly powerful anti-union statement to the community when a location attempts to unionize and suddenly a popular store closes overnight and all those jobs are lost.

People who complain about minimum wage- boofreakinghoo... We figured it out in the Army after I was in for about a year. I was an E-3, making around $1750/month. We figured in, training not included, that we work an average of 45 hours a week, throw in 2 days a month for staff duty or CQ (24 hour shifts), and break down our monthly pay by hour and it came out to somewhere around $6.80/hr... as of 2009 it was 7.25 on the federal level. Oh and we get to spend nice weekends out in the field and we have strict travel restrictions. Sure we complained that the work conditions sucked, the pay sucked, but even if we were afforded the luxury of going on strike, it would be the absolute last thing we would do. I tell these entitled idiots who refuse to better their lives, learn a skill, stick it out until they get a raise, etc. to STFU and suck it up buttercup. With the exception of those fortunate enough to have been born into an easy life- everyone I know had to work their way up from a much lower position. Raise the minimum wage? Why? So you can earn more for your mediocre work? Piss off!

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Originally Posted by Clint45

That is actually S.O.P. for many corporate department stores, supermarkets, and restaurants . . . but since it is illegal to fire employees for forming a union to engage in collective bargaining, the tactic is just to close the store and relocate the managers. It makes a fairly powerful anti-union statement to the community when a location attempts to unionize and suddenly a popular store closes overnight and all those jobs are lost.

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Sounds like when the grocery workers at Safeway were wanting to strike when I lived in TX. Safeway warned them not to do it because they couldn't afford to operate at the costs the workers were demanding. They went on strike and Safeway left the state.

It looks like they came back with some business interests later, but those folks that went on strike were out of a job.

What these people do not understand is that an artificial price cannot be introduced into the marketplace without massive repercussions throughout. The business isn't going to "suck it up"; the business is going to reduce operating costs in other areas and raise the price of whatever they are producing and the strikers will end up in a worse position than they are in now.

One of the big reasons China produces alot of our stuff is because the unions in America forced the manufacturers to cut operating costs by moving production overseas, unions ran their own membership out of jobs. If it wasn't for the artifical wages imposed on manufacturers by the unions the United States would still be the world's #1 producer of goods and we wouldn't have these huge trade deficits we have now. Unions helped turn the American economy from a manufacturing economy to a service/debt economy.

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Originally Posted by Gman

Sounds like when the grocery workers at Safeway were wanting to strike when I lived in TX. Safeway warned them not to do it because they couldn't afford to operate at the costs the workers were demanding. They went on strike and Safeway left the state.

It looks like they came back with some business interests later, but those folks that went on strike were out of a job.

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Reminds me of 1989 when the UFCW tried to organize workers at Cub Foods here in Colorado Springs. The workers at Cubs by and large didn't want to join the union and the union workers at other stores didn't want to take the time off so the UFCW had to hire non-union workers to hold signs in front of Cub.

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Originally Posted by roberth

What these people do not understand is that an artificial price cannot be introduced into the marketplace without massive repercussions throughout. The business isn't going to "suck it up"; the business is going to reduce operating costs in other areas and raise the price of whatever they are producing and the strikers will end up in a worse position than they are in now.

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^this

I was listening to NPR the other day. They interviewed this person. I'm paraphrasing, but:

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When I started working at Burger King, I made $8/hr. 8 YEARS later and I'm only making $8.15/hr

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WTF!??! Why are you still there after 8 years? If you want to be a manager, sure, I get that. But I don't think there's a way to do that job well for 8 years and never get a raise. I'm sorry. Life sucks. Better yourself, or quit bitching.