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You don't need to be an anti to be unsettled by people carrying long arms around in an area that does not warrant that level of protection. Just like you can be concerned by someone walking around in there in a hazmat suit with a geiger counter in their hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistler
The statement was issued because of the moms against guns campaign but that campaign would not have happened if everyone has been just fine with the initial actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistler
Whistler, If I'm ever in the neighborhood of Athens or you're in this neck of the woods, the libation of your choice is on me. There's a lot of wisdom in your words.
I thought it funny when Dave_L was comparing 2A to LGBT. I guess we need those that exercise their 2A rights to be a little less flamboyant about it. [ROFL1]
Like with Chipotle, I hate to be put in the position to defend these people but frankly Bloomie's Mom's group is an obnoxious pressure group. They had to do something to placate these idiots or they'd have ratcheted up the pressure until finally it started hurting their bottom line so they came out with a half ass capitulation to them that would allow them to get the Mom's to go away and keep the gun rights folks from coming down on them too.
So they ask their customers not to bring guns in their stores ... with no requirement, no demand, just a request.
They're forced into this position between a rock and a hard place and there is no good position to take that allows them to stay out of the controversy.
So that said, screw them for not taking our side in full throated support of the Second Amendment, I'll not set foot in one of their stores again! (which would be same net result if none of this would have happened :p )
Merl, Ridge - my point is the patrons didn't complain except in one case I saw reported, it was the anti-gunners complaining on their behalf and in many cases without their consent or participation.
Ridge that statement reminds me of the folks who promote mandatory training and/or competency testing because they "fear" Billy Bob could pose a danger to them since he's an ignorant, toothless, poorly dressed hillbilly. "Guns for me but not for thee" or something like that. Who are you to tell anyone what level of protection is warranted in any given situation and why would they care what your thoughts are on how they exercise their right? I don't think you have to an anti to be unsettled around guys just walking with guns but based on the behavior I saw I'd say you do have to be a little paranoid. I was the guy in the canary suit with the Geiger counter and there was no cause for alarm, just checking for tritium... didn't find any.
Merl are you trying to convince me Mothers Demand Action for Gun sense in America was formed in response to the Open Carry Texas demonstrations? In fact MDA predates OCT by roughly two years and was formed in response to the Sandy Hook tragedy. The anti-gunners have been campaigning since long before most of these other groups existed and certainly before they engaged in what you perceive as nail in the coffin behavior.
Guys I'm not a'gin ya' but I'm thinking maybe it's more of a personal thing in that you just don't like folks with guns around you... except for you and the people you trust of course.
You're paranoid as hell and I wouldn't trust you with a gun if you felt the need to carry an AR or the like to a goddamned grocery store in the suburbs. Carry a handgun, fine. But this isn't Tikrit, you don't need to worry about being overrun by opfor while shopping for socks.
You are correct, I am paranoid as hell and can't remember the last time I carried a long gun anywhere other than hunting or the range but will you finally at least acknowledge it's nothing more than your personal bias?
What if Billy Bob is just really, really bad with handguns and feels safer with an AK? Or a flame thrower? I know I would [flamethrower]
What if you're an adult, but not legally able to carry a handgun because you're not 21? You're basically saying their choice if you have anything to say about it is that they have no right to self-defense.
Those of us that choose to defend ourselves with arms are to me more of a brotherhood than me and mine vs. the world. I don't want others judging me or second guessing my legitimate right, so why would I feel so empowered to do that to someone else who is lawfully living their life?
Ridge, I totally don't get how you don't want to be judged but will be so quick to drop the gavel on others.
It makes me chuckle that we're debating what's necessary versus excessive. This is America. The land of super sized fries, 80 ounce soft drinks, cars with 1000+hp, trucks lifted to the moon with tires the size of a prius, and pretty much everything else that you can over indulge on.
There is a post earlier up about letting business know about out boycotts. Most don't complain, they just don't go back. There is no positive spin on this outside some gun sites, the businesses cannot think this was a positive thing for them even if they get no immediate complaints.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistler
Oh no, they smelled blood in the water and acted. They are getting their free publicity and winning because of the actions of OCT. This is not helping gun rights in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistler