I believe I want one that says"Close before flight"...
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I believe I want one that says"Close before flight"...
Hell, I don't think I want anything like that on the dust cover. If they can read it, they most likely killed you and now have your weapon.
Why not something like "Eff off", or "I hope you die choking on a dick"?
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I've been waiting for this video, I think this is an excellent break down of the legalities surrounding the recently-concluded criminal court proceedings.
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Bill Blowers assessment of this unfortunate incident. If you don't know who Bill Blowers is, well then go square yourself away.
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We can all see what he's saying from the video. But rewatch it. "Keep your hands up" immediately followed by orders to crawl. Well, which is it? That's contradictory and complicates matters. What was up with the holier than thou tone of voice and peppered phrases adopted by the Sergeant, in combo with the increased tension in his voice, raising to freak out levels? Why the fast and complicated instructions that contradict. The whole thing was utterly retarded and did not have to go the way it did. Both come out together, but female first. Why? Because of ambiguous instructions. This complicates their detainment plan. He makes a guess that they would have had her walk backwards, hands up, and then detained. And then they would have had him exit the room, walk backwards, hands up, and then detained. After the female was detained, what prevented them from executing the original supposed plan? Fields of fire were clear.
Did the events leading up to the shooting suck?Quote:
Originally Posted by CavSct1983
Yes.
Was the shooting legally justified?
Yes.
Should Mr. Brailsford face imprisonment or the death penalty because the Sergeant in charge was a prick?
No.
Should he face imprisonment or the death penalty because he shot and killed Mr. Shaver?
No.
Should Mr. Brailsford have been in Law Enforcement in the first place?
Probably not.
Should the Mesa PD adopt and enforce simpler detainment/arrest SOP's?
Yes.
Did Mr. Shaver make several dumb decisions the day he was killed? Absolutely.
Guns + Alcohol. Not a good mix.
Pointing guns out of windows not good.
Lying about being drunk to Police. Also not good.
Lying about being able to follow instructions. Not good.
Disobeying Law Enforcement commands. Also not good.
As an aside if my wife found out I had been drinking in a hotel room with a woman that was not her, being shot and killed by Police would be the least of my worries. Hell hath no fury and all that. Not saying he deserved to be killed, just looking at it objectively.
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Everyone knows that you're supposed to just agree with police in the street to not make them mad. So what does it matter if he lied about being drunk, or lied at all?
Also, he probably could have followed orders, if they weren't designed for failure.
Did he actually have a gun? Was he actually pointing it out the window? <-- I really don't know.
Guns and alcohol not mixing is irrelevant if he didn't fire a gun while being drunk.
With what I've seen and with the additional info, I think Brailsford's verdict was probably correct. I also wonder if the Zarate verdict might of had an affect on this verdict. Arizona, being fairly conservative, maybe telling liberal California: How can we convict an American, killing in the line of duty, when you let an illegal walk. Far fetched?Quote:
Originally Posted by MOLON LABE
Probably
There were two high powered air rifles in room 502. Multiple eyewitnesses from the ground saw at least one male pointing a long gun out of a window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Had Mr. Shaver not have gotten to a 0.29 BAC , he might not have been pointing an Air Rifle out a hotel room window. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If I start pointing guns on my front porch, or out my window, I would imagine the Police show up. If I was almost 4 times over the legal limit to operate a motor vehicle, what do you think my chances of going into custody completely unharmed would be?
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So there were rifles at least. I agree, don't be that drunk around guns. None of that has anything to do with him being killed though.