Looming Government Shutdown (again)

Stop all back pay for government employees and pay for Elected officials during furloughs except military (they need to get paid no matter what)

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

It's not guaranteed but has always been implemented in every government shutdown. It is in neither party's interest to create another victim class and wages/salary are a pittance in the vast scheme of government costs. I'm not on board with much of anything clodhopper said but I think back pay for the federal civil workers is a safe assumption. Contractors and others affected by the shutdown are another story but in many cases the contract was prepaid so there are things that can be done. In 2013, my company advised everyone to take the vacation time during the shutdown but also dipped into internal funds so employees who didn't want to (or couldn't) take unplanned vacations could use the time to work on needed training and professional education.

As far as the comment about USAA, I don't think they are covering EVERYONE in the military, just current customers. They've done the same things in past shutdowns, crediting customer accounts as if they got the normal direct deposit on the normal day. This is frequently needed because a lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and would run into cashflow issues even if promised backpay.

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Yep, I saw an article put out by them. You have to have direct deposit with them for at least two months, and the max they can lend at 0% is $6000.

I'm happy to say our Army friend has his check deposited in their USAA account, so it's an option for them.

I believe I also saw something about Navy Federal Credit Union also offering something similar.

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Originally Posted by TheGrey

All I see there is a whole lot of "legislation introduced" and "should get back pay." I'll believe it if and when the check clears the bank.

For those of you who are assuring everyone that back pay will be reimbursed, I point you to Hoser's post. He did NOT receive back pay for 2013's furlough.

You're no dark horse, Clodhopper. A dark horse is defined as "a candidate or competitor about whom little is known but who unexpectedly wins or succeeds." The only part of that definition that fits you is "about whom little is known." You proffered your point of view. Your view happened to not only be unpopular, but was filled with incorrect assumptions and projected a very cavalier assumption- if, in fact, you were ever in a situation such as a furlough. Was your smug statement "coldhearted'? Poor you, surrounded by people burdened with patriotic "feelz" and the inability to recognize your obviously superior arguments. Thank GOODNESS you were able to shed light on our problem: we wouldn't be furloughed if we weren't government workers. Of course! Why, it really is all our fault that we out ourselves in this position.


You are SO RIGHT.

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Guess I should have said "Black sheep". Thanks for setting me straight.

And yeah, I have weathered more than one furlough. Course I didn't get the back pay. But like you and everyone else, I have the option to find a new job. As a result of one of those furloughs, I did.

Cavalier? really? whatever.

I retract my initial statements about the concept being unfair to the govt workers who are subject to the situation. Grey has cleared up my opinion that govt workers don't appreciate how good they have it and expect special treatment. It is clear that they could care less about the issues others may have experienced in life and are only concerned with the tribulations of their own lives regardless how inconsequential they may be. I stand with Mazin.

[shakes head at ridiculous state of affairs and wanders off to more important matters]

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Originally Posted by clodhopper

[shakes head at ridiculous state of affairs and wanders off to more important matters]

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Flake is blabbing now in an effort to help his illegal alien buddies.

Gawd I HATE him and McCain.

Shame they let the woman march happen on park property...

Who has to pick up the sootikins?

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Originally Posted by clodhopper

Grey has cleared up my opinion that govt workers don't appreciate how good they have it and expect special treatment. It is clear that they could care less about the issues others may have experienced in life and are only concerned with the tribulations of their own lives regardless how inconsequential they may be.

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I take a little issue with these statements here. "How good they have it?" Government workers don't exactly have it good, by comparison to the rest of us. Be it a file clerk for the IRS, a Special Agent for the ATF, or a lowly buck SGT with the US Army. A job is a job, regardless of if it is government or private. The only difference is that your local CVS pharmacist isn't subject to political games, like a 26 day shutdown (like was seen under Clinton in 1995), that threatens to delay or even furlough their pay. Work should be compensated, regardless of chosen profession. I have a good friend I served with who had to rejoin the army due to family medical issues. That is one benefit or reason to say "they have it good," but in reality those benefits are just a small portion of the bigger picture. Most .gov employees do a ton of work for shit pay. If you took the benefits out of the equation, it's a wonder anyone would pursue a career in the military seeing as how the pay is not anywhere near where it should be for the work and risks done- same goes to pretty much any Federal LE, and just about every single job within the government that doesn't carry risks, but is pretty important and very busy for pennies in compensation. I don't know of hardly any .gov employees who ask for special treatment. Most just ask to make an honest day's pay for an honest day's work, just like you, me or Bob who lives down the street and fixes your Hyundai.

The headline over at FNC is "Dems blink."
Looks like the shutdown is ending, and they caved. They being Team Schumer and his posse of obstructionist democrats (a term they used for the Repubs back during the obama years). Now they want to have both sides come to the table and draft a new DACA deal- which I think is better than something they slapped together in the short-term spending bill. We'll see how it all plays out- but I do want to see funding for a wall. I read an interesting story about USASOC and CBP testing some wall designs- I'll see if I can find it.
SHUTDOWN OVER story.