Open Discussion of all Things Electric Vehicle (aka EV) for Those Pro or Con, BE RESPECTFUL!

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Originally Posted by Gman

Source please for the 80% of 400 mile range in 10-15 minutes. I can't find that, even looking at Tesla's information. Maybe 50% of range in 15 minutes using a Supercharger.

New Model S starts at $94,990. Sedans don't work for us. Really expensive sedans really don't work for us.

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Typo. That was supposed to say 50% (the 5 is right under the 8 on a 10key) in like 10-15 minutes. That's still going to put about 200 miles on the car in a pretty rapid rate and will get you to your next stop in most instances. As the pack reaches higher SoC (State of Charge) the charge rates start to taper to protect the battery. That's why, when traveling it's better to live in the bottom half of the battery than in the top half. Just to bring it full circle, it will take you about 30-minutes to recover the 80% that I stated previously. All of those numbers are still pretty staggering when you think of where we were not all that long ago. They keep improving too at a pretty rapid rate so whatever we're discussing now will be old news next year.

I can tell you that, from first hand experience, you're not going to be running a stop watch at your Supercharging sessions so it really is a non-issue. You start to plan and go about your road trips differently. You start to see what is around in the immediate area, catch up on emails/text messages or (my wife's personal favorite) take a quick nap. We actually camp in ours during road trips (like I said, rear seats fold flat and a queen-size air mattress fits nearly perfectly) so most of the time we just leave our bedding there as we travel. If you wanna relax a bit you can crawl in back and catch up on emails or nap... whatever.

Our trips now are SO much less stressful now overall. Between those short little breaks, complete lack of Central Nervous System-wrecking droning/vibrations/smells and autopilot I'm not sure how we ever lived before. It's a totally different experience and the negatives as many people like to focus on really aren't once you own one and experience it for yourself.

As for a $100k new car... hell to the nah! We don't buy new. The depreciation on new vehicles is absurd and I'm not sure how anyone can afford that hit.

Most of Kia Niro EV owners really dislike the backing sound. I don't like the sound, but I love the feature. It is so loud that people move over or stop after hearing this sound.


There is no turn off button, unless you take the 7.5a fuse out according to youtuber.
https://youtu.be/eHTokezTaGE

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Originally Posted by DDT951

That has been an issue with EVs.

They are "premium" cars charging more than ICE cars. Really, based upon manufacturing costs, EVs should be lower, but subsidies have pushed prices up and novelty has them higher.

EVs will be more popular when prices is the same (or lower) than ICE vehicles without subsidies.

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I'm not sure I'm tracking this claim you're making.

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Originally Posted by zulu01

What types of places do you go when you need a charge and there is no dedicated charging station? Are people/businesses open to letting you charge your car? Are they charging for the juice?

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The most common: campgrounds or anywhere that has a camper outlet. You can find a NEMA 14-50 receptacle just about anywhere these days. Most camp grounds will let you charge for free or maybe charge you a few bucks to use it. This makes up the bulk of our non-Supercharging charging whenever we're out and about. It's rare though as Tesla is building out that Supercharger network like crazy. Also, don't forget about the "destination charger" network Tesla invested heavily in during the early years. Lots of hotels and businesses just have Tesla chargers that you can use as a guest/customer. These are great if you wanna grab a hotel room for the night and want to be able to charge for free and come out to a 100% charged car in the am when you're ready to hit the road again. We used this as an excuse to stay at a historic hotel (The Peabody) in Downtown Memphis a few years back during a road trip and it was amazing. We had a blast!

There's also an app called PlugShare that allows you to sort the charging locations based on what vehicle you have or what adapters you have. With these, it can be lots of the options I just mentioned or even people will put them in. There's a really nice older couple that lives back in Scottsbluff NE that not only owns a hotel there with an NEMA 14-50 plug listed for people to just use but they even list their home as well for people to use for free. I mean, it literally ends up costing pennies and you meet some cool people so... why not? Pretty cool community, really.

I'm rare in that I made of bunch of adapters to use on just about every single 15A, 20A, 30A and 50A outlet in North America. If there's electricity somewhere, I can use it! I keep waiting for an excuse to use them but I really haven't needed them. It's to the point where for most road trips I don't even take that duffle bag with me anymore.

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Originally Posted by Gman

Similar in concept to a Chevy Volt. Electric drive train with a gasoline generator to eliminate range anxiety.

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Pass. WAY too many moving parts for my personal taste. I also prefer the other benefits that come with 100% EV I've come to appreciate over the years.

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Originally Posted by Gman

What's the point of your "point"? I haven't needed to knock on someone's door in the sticks where the lights are on to ask for gas, so why would I need to ask to borrow an outlet where there's no charger?

The only electricity that matters in this conversation is where it is useful for EV owners, not everywhere that it exists and it isn't. Please keep the conversation relevant.

Perhaps you can explain why you have "...a duffle bag full of adapters I made..."?

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Edited: maybe I misread what you said. Let's make sure we're all being civil and respectful in this thread as was requested from the beginning.

I'm happy to answer any and all questions that are coming from a place of respect and genuinely wanting to know the answer. I'm not interested in fielding posts that are trying to bait someone into an argument where nobody listens.

I never said anything about going door to door in my post. I was trying to catch up with a lot of posts in a limited about of time so I left details out. I touched on some of those details already in posts since that post.

No problem.
If it is not suitable for your need, don't buy it. More EV DC fast charging space for us, and more $7500 rebate* (and more rebates from state and xcel level 2 charger rebate) for me when I get another one near future. :)



* if purchased new. Even if you are not qualified for 7500 tax rebate on purchase, you can lease a vehicle where manufacturer puts 7500 down for your lease.
CO tax benefit, and Xcel has some kinda rebate going on as well.

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Federal Electric Vehicle Tax Credits
Up to $7,500 tax credit
Lease credit goes to leasing company ? may lower lease cost
Phase out begins when 200,000 sold by manufacturer
Tesla & GM ? no longer eligible

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Colorado Tax Credits
$2,500 credit received with state income tax refund ? may be applied at purchase with many electric vehicle manufacturers
$1,500 for 2-year minimum leases
Unused tax credit can be rolled forward to future years
Colorado residents are able to claim an additional state tax credit of $2,500 when they buy an electric vehicle. Some dealers offer this at point of sale.

The credits decrease every few years from $2,500 during January 2021 ? 2023 to $2,000 from 2023-2026.

For leases: $1,500 between 2021 to 2026.

For tax years January 1, 2010 ? January 1, 2022, the credits are refundable. The credit is first applied against the income tax liability of the person who purchases, leases, or converts the qualifying motor vehicle.

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Originally Posted by ray1970

I have a pretty hard price limit on vehicles. I have never spent over $25K on any vehicle I?ve owned. I guess if there comes a day when used Teslas with fresh batteries and motors can be had for that price I can reevaluate if an EV is feasible for me.

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The way they've been cranking out Model 3's I think you'll start to see them at pretty affordable price points as soon as this inventory issue subsides. They're making tons of them and other than color and a couple of options they're basically all the same. It's going to be very difficult to get value for one of those on the used market before too long IMHO. When they came out, I was describing them as the Dodge Neon of the EV world. I joke because they're great cars with features a Neon never dreamed up but, in terms of uniqueness.. well, they're not very different which will make resale a struggle w/o the artificial demand spike. I thin that's going to accelerate adoption rates big time once less expensive options become available and people see that they far outlast ICE vehicles in terms of breaking down and needing repaired.

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Originally Posted by Jer

I can tell you that, from first hand experience, you're not going to be running a stop watch at your Supercharging sessions so it really is a non-issue. You start to plan and go about your road trips differently.

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...and there you lost me. You've come to accept that your vehicle is driving you, not the other way around.

On another note, I keep seeing people talk about how fast these vehicles can be. You owe it to yourselves to check out how the braking is on most of these very heavy vehicles when trying to quickly slow them from those fast speeds.

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Originally Posted by MrPrena

Most of Kia Niro EV owners really dislike the backing sound. I don't like the sound, but I love the feature. It is so loud that people move over or stop after hearing this sound.


There is no turn off button, unless you take the 7.5a fuse out according to youtuber.
https://youtu.be/eHTokezTaGE

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