Just cant win

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Originally Posted by MB888

Jake, if you read the bill, it doesn't transform the LEO into a border/immigration enforcement. When one is arrested, detained, or temporary stopped under at least a reasonable suspicion, it requires the LEO to check on his identification. It does nothing BUT 'requiring' LEOs to enforce the CURRENT LAW. I dont see anything wrong with that then I am all for it.

LEOs check on IDs when one is stopped anyway! However, as of now, it doesn't require him/her to detain that person if one couldn't prove his/her residency.

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Yeah, Stuart already said that, but from his most recent post it sounds like it's already leading to problems.

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Originally Posted by MB888

Before that gets to work, we will see attempt to 'better identify' illegals - National ID System.. We already see reports on false detentions!

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Yep. On 1-25 and 1-10 in NM you will get "detained" if only momentarily at check points. Citizens have been for a quarter of a century +. Being from there I am acclimated to it, hell, I acclimated to a lot infringment of U.S. citizens rights via illegal aliens and illegal immigration . We should have enforced our laws that the "never again" amnesty (Immigration Reform Act of 1986) was supposed to address. Then we wouldn't have more and more of our freedoms taken under one guise or another.
I've heard of the national ID for a long time now, intertwined with immigration and illegal trespassing. New world order is knocking on our doors. Glenn Beck does a good job reporting on these issues.

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Looks like this law is already being abused. Gloria's friend in Arizona is already suffering trouble from this. Her dad (who is from Mexico but is a citizen) was taking her kids to school this morning. Police pulled him over and told him he didn't stop at a stop sign long enough (bullshit reason to pull ANYONE over IMO). Anyway, he speaks broken English so they hauled him and her kids into jail. Now they won't release any of them until she brings in all their birth certificates and his legal documentation.

I told her to call the ACLU and sue. She should. None of those things are reasonable suspicion of not being here legally. If not speaking English is all it takes, then every high school student in Arizona is going to have a trip to jail.

I'm pretty disappointed.

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What did "Gloria's friends dad" say the officer's reaction was when he produced his driver's license?

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Originally Posted by Stuart

I really feel like if the problem in Arizona is any where near as bad as they say it is, then there will be plenty of opportunity to route out illegals in a way that doesn't harass the legal citizens of the state. The police need to be kept in check and figure out how to do their jobs without being jack booted thugs.

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from what I have heard/read the only extra thing it allows them to do is to check citizenship if someone has broken the law.
racial profiling exists already, now the cops have the authority to check peoples legal status and get them to ICE quickly via state law.

I don't have a problem with it. if you are here legally it shouldn't be an issue. If you are here illegally you will obviously have an issue. if you feel like you are going to get profiled, maybe you shouldn't put golf cart tires on a truck...

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Originally Posted by Stuart

I fully expect to hear more stories like this, and also stories about illegals freaking out and shooting at the police, running and going on high speed chases, etc. The police already have a big enough job on their hands and they don't need go around stepping on the throats of every brown person to take care of their illegal problem. I don't know about you guys, but if I were an officer in the same situation, I'd be on the lookout for panicking illegals trying to blast me so they can enjoy one more day of freedom, and wouldn't go looking for trouble.

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whats so different now? they already drink and drive and have very little repercussions for it. you yourself posted a video of 26 or 27 illegals in a van in a high speed pursuit that crashed into someone and they all fled.
the police are already on the lookout for sketchy people looking to blast them. the illegals do it now, giving police more options to enforce the law isn't going to create that much greater of an ill will toward them, I believe it will have the opposite effect and create more fear in the illegals, who may in turn think twice before coming into the country illegally.

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Originally Posted by jake

Yeah, Stuart already said that, but from his most recent post it sounds like it's already leading to problems.

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those problems are not due to this bill...since it hasn't been implemented yet. they said it won't happen until late july or august...that is if it isn't held up in a monster legal batter. the way things are shaping now, it appears that will be the case.

All the law does is mimic and mirror federal law.

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Originally Posted by cebeu

What did "Gloria's friends dad" say the officer's reaction was when he produced his driver's license?

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She hasn't come home yet and I rushed onto the computer to make this exact point. I personally have strong suspicion that he didn't have it on him, but we'll see. I think that since I don't personally know this person I'll never hear the whole story though.

I was just thinking on the way home that I wonder if he produced a driver's license or not. I definitely got wrapped up into this, it is hard not to when someone close to you is upset about it.

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Originally Posted by Stuart

She hasn't come home yet and I rushed onto the computer to make this exact point. I personally have strong suspicion that he didn't have it on him, but we'll see. I think that since I don't personally know this person I'll never hear the whole story though.

I was just thinking on the way home that I wonder if he produced a driver's license or not. I definitely got wrapped up into this, it is hard not to when someone close to you is upset about it.

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i am guessing there is a lot more to this story. i think the "call the ACLU" is quite the knee jerk reaction, just like all the protesters who haven't read the bill throwing things at cops, defacing public property, painting a nazi sign with beans etc etc, some realy 3rd world shit going on there...

it is obvious not every officer is going to follow every law to a T. we all know this and have seen it, some of us first hand. they don't know all the laws...no one does.

I am currently listening to sarah palin on fox news. apparently 70% of people in arizona agree with this new law. it mirrors federal law, it specifically says racial profiling will not be tolerated. it specifically says one can not be stopped just on the basis for potentially being in country illegally, the person must first be suspected of committing another crime.

i continue to see nothing wrong with this bill and will go further to say each state should implement it.

Sounds like he had his license in his pocket and produced it when asked. I can't get any more of the story out of her. It's kind of a touchy subject for someone who legally came her to escape gorilla warfare and better her life.

I'm not sure if any of you have actually read any of my posts, but I thought that I made it pretty clear that I also agree with this law. What I'm NOT okay with is the abusing of this law, as evidenced by this story. That point seems to have been glossed over.