Political Ramifications of SCOTUS ruling

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Originally Posted by Ridge

Or they lower their rates back down towards what they were back in 2009, before the law passed.

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So you want them to offer more but charge less....interesting.

Who in their right mind is going to pay for insurance when you can't be denied for pre-existing conditions? People will get injured or sick call and up ad insurance see the doctor, then cancel it after treatment (just like tons of people do nowadays with car insurance). are you under the impression that insurance companies will thrive having to constantly dish out for every little thing wrong with everyone in the country?

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Originally Posted by Mtn.man

And amazingly, the Gubment can now feed the hungry as food trucks are seen leaving the rear of the hospital and later distributing weeks of food to the poor.

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Soylent Green is People!

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Originally Posted by JoeT

I just ran outside with my rifle in hand. I was the only one out there, so it must not be "go-time" yet....

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Yeah seriously can it be go time yet? [Mad]

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Originally Posted by stevelkinevil

Yeah seriously can it be go time yet? [Mad]

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After the economy completely collapses, it will be go time...people will have nothing to lose.

There are 3 good things I see from yesterday's ruling:

1. Obamacare can only be funded as a TAX. Sucks, but the feds do have the constitutional authority to tax us for pretty much anything they want & now they can't call it "penalties" or "fees". 1/2 the country doesn't care, but at least it must be called what it is - the largest TAX increase in history.

2. The abuse of the commerce clause is over (hopefully). SCOTUS affirmed that the feds cannot force its citizens to purchase goods and/or services.

3. Power to the states - the feds cannot penalize states for not expanding Medicaid as dictated by Obamacare.

I still think Roberts knew what he was doing and didn't betray conservatives. He's playing a dangerous game to be sure, but for this to play out for the good - Romney, and the voters, must do their part November for the gambit to succeed.

The conspiracy theorist in me wonders how they got to Roberts- did they buy him, or threaten him?

The next thing I'm concerned about is that early on my employer was one that was consulted about how private sector corporations would respond as the law was written... Their response? That the fine was cheaper than the costs of some of their health care plans.

You can already see their actions to try to get rid of the most expensive plans- but if you read the handwriting on the wall, one thing that may be in my future is more increases in health care costs (or I'll have to pay the tax myself)

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Originally Posted by RMD

There are 3 good things I see from yesterday's ruling:

1. Obamacare can only be funded as a TAX. Sucks, but the feds do have the constitutional authority to tax us for pretty much anything they want & now they can't call it "penalties" or "fees". 1/2 the country doesn't care, but at least it must be called what it is - the largest TAX increase in history.

2. The abuse of the commerce clause is over (hopefully). SCOTUS affirmed that the feds cannot force its citizens to purchase goods and/or services.

3. Power to the states - the feds cannot penalize states for not expanding Medicaid as dictated by Obamacare.

I still think Roberts knew what he was doing and didn't betray conservatives. He's playing a dangerous game to be sure, but for this to play out for the good - Romney, and the voters, must do their part November for the gambit to succeed.

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I don't know that abuse of the Commerce Clause is over, but it should be easier to restrict in the future. Republicans can beat the tax drum, but if they don't have an alternative plan it won't help much. Romney needs to lay out a plan for what he'll do after repealing Obamacare.

The alternative is for everyone to get familiar with waiting for care, limits on care, and the Liverpool Care Pathway.

From our cousins across the pond:

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ents-year.html

Everyone should now be motivated to vote in November. Not just sit at their computer & pontificate. Since the Bama has been POTUS my health insurance has gone from $4200 to over $11,500. That included a change to a cheaper policy somewhere in that time. Gotta luv all those folks who really believe insurance companies will give you something for free. Not a very good business model. Someone, that means some of us WILL pay. And someone else, that also means some of us will get it for "free".

Guess everyone will just cast their vote based on whatever side of that equation they are on.

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Originally Posted by RMD

Obamacare can only be funded as a TAX. Sucks, but the feds do have the constitutional authority to tax us for pretty much anything they want...

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I don't think this is true. Congress, per the Constitution (not that it really matters nowadays) can only levy taxes in certain ways. Taxing you for not not doing something is not a power they have.

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

I don't think this is true. Congress, per the Constitution (not that it really matters nowadays) can only levy taxes in certain ways. Taxing you for not not doing something is not a power they have.

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Did you not hear the announcement yesterday?