I heard back from cory gardner today from the email i sent him a few weeks ago in regards to the situation. i will post his reponse when i get home after work.
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I heard back from cory gardner today from the email i sent him a few weeks ago in regards to the situation. i will post his reponse when i get home after work.
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Utterly useless when Skynet becomes self aware...Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
I think I am laughing more about the fact General Dynamics all the sudden decided to surplus presumably millions of rounds within weeks of the potential ban date. I know they have sold components such as the bullets available at Wideners. But this is the first time I believe that General Dynamics loaded ammunition has been available and all of the sudden it is everywhere for ridiculous prices. They must have seen the writing on the wall and wanted in on some of the cash.
I'm still waiting for the Republican-dominated congress to become self aware. Please, someone tell them they won the last election. Big time. Really.
These are the WORST winners in elective history.
Response:Quote:
Originally Posted by electronman1729
Dear Mr. XXXXXXX,
Thank you for contacting me regarding the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' proposal to re-classify certain ammunition as armor piercing. I appreciate you taking the time to write. It is an honor to serve you in the U.S. Senate and I hope you will continue to write with your thoughts and ideas on moving our country forward.
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' (ATF) proposed change would no longer exempt SS109 and M855 ammunition from the Gun Control Act of 1968, deeming it as armor piercing. In some cases, ammunition considered to be used for sporting purposes would continue to be exempted. The public comment period for this proposal extends to March 16, 2015. I encourage you to submit your thoughts to the ATF regarding this potential ban.
Our right to bear arms should not be infringed. Congress must protect this right from the overreach of government agencies. Please rest assured that I will be monitoring this situation and the actions of the ATF closely and will keep your thoughts in mind.
Again, thank you for contacting me, and do not hesitate to do so again when an issue is important to you.
Wow.. That pretty much said nothing..... He must be a politician.
Not happy about it. Considering contacting the ATF was the first thing I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
What do you mean? He said he would be monitoring the situation. He's a man of action. /SARCASMQuote:
Originally Posted by Hound
I hope this doesn't mean he's in DC voting "Present".
Sent from my electronic leash.
Why didn't you. Since you seem upset with the lack luster reply from gardner, figured it was the 1st thing you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by electronman1729
Well looks like it is a canned response:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_20/57...=bottom#bottom
WE cannot depend on ANY politician having our best interest. I'll be penning a HEY dude letter to Cory tomorrow. Expressing my / our dismay regarding his sending canned letters to people who put him in office, based on his views. Informing him IF i / we wanted canned , prepackaged responses we'd be dealing with Democrats & liberals who did not care about us or the Constitution.Quote:
Originally Posted by electronman1729
Sincerely , Howard Beale
Perhaps the NRA has to be vague.. From what I've gathered on a few gunboards is that "M855 isn't accurate, sucks, I'd never buy it so who cares anyway".
At the bare minimum this will only make our sport more expensive as a large source of ammo will be off the market. The gov nor the commercial production market will never step in to fill this loss and existing ammo will only become more expensive and harder to find.
In reality as lead ammo begins to be regulated more and more for hunting and other purposes more ammo will be produced using various mixes of metals of which the ATF will continue on reclassifying as ammo piercing. If this isn't stopped now our future looks pretty bleak.
And Gardners response seems like a typical Republican response. Keep voting R and hoping someone will actually care.
I received the same response. I will write him back tonight.
I guarantee you will get the exact same responce, ask me how I know. None of them give a shit.
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Originally Posted by wctriumph
"None of them give a shit". Hey, they are Politicians - what more can we expect. [bulls]Quote:
Originally Posted by beast556
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Originally Posted by beast556
They give a shit about SOMETHING... letters from random people they are supposed to represent is NOT one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlasterBob
There are some exceptions- I get the impression Sen. Holbert does... but he's an extreme minority.
So what gets Gardner excited... everyone has their "price"... like Joe Salazar likes young boys, right?[fag]
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Originally Posted by electronman1729
Same reply I got.
Doesn't he know we fired the guy he replaced for these shenanigans?
I wrote Scott Tipton about my concern last week and listed "Second Amendment" as the topic. I got a semi politically correct/expedient reply having to do with the Second Amendment and the need to protect Colorado's children. Just for fun I sent basically the same letter back. after thanking him for the reply, but made up a topic having to do with protecting our Constitutional rights. Still waiting for that reply.... I think I'll do the same for the honorable Senator Gardner.
Lol why is everyone panicking and paying so much for M855? Are you worried that you won't be able to shoot through walls? I'm sure any FMJ .223 bullet will do just fine... Still worried about not penetrating a barrier? Get a .30-06. [facepalm]
hell, even 300 Blackout will only require a barrel change and will be more barrier-blind than ANY 5.56 round... .458 socom even more so... if you're willing to move up to AR-10/lr308 platform 45Raptor is damn impressive... but even .308 is pretty barrier-blindQuote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
because m855 is NOT ARMOR PIERCING!!!! it is a "penetrator" round... somewhere between total crap and somewhat crap at penetrating barriers.
But this isn't about logic, science, truth, or even theory.. it's about politics and disarming people
People are worried they may not be all to shoot at all. The m855 ban is a test run. If they can remove a domestically produced round like m855 from the market, then they'll be emboldened to go after the rest under the same false "police safety" BS. Since they couldn't ban the guns they'll ban the ammo to feed them. They'll go after all the other calibers in time. Even .30-06 won't be safe. This isn't something to take lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
This administration is going for all out gun control via ammo bans. Even if they can't get it all banned, how expensive do you think ammo is going to get when a good percentage of it is suddenly removed from the market? I'd be willing to bet m855 accounts for almost 50% of the .223/5.56 bulk ammo supply. Panic prices now may seem like a bargain in a few months. Pricing gun owners out of the market is as good as a ban. It worked for machine guns.
I don't even own a firearm chambered for 5.56 NATO. I write/e mail/fax my Congressmen because I don't want them coming after the cartridges I do have next.Quote:
But this isn't about logic, science, truth, or even theory.. it's about politics and disarming people
Don't misunderstand me - I'm not saying that the legislation is good. It isn't. It is a very clear chipping away of liberty and I hate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mutt
I just don't get why people are willing to pay significantly more for M855 than M193 now, or ever. By all means, stock up on whatever you need, but don't be wasteful about it with your limited resources (money).
Can't even get 55g at a decent price let alone if you can find in bulk. Bunch of horse crap, just want some ammo to play with my soon to be aquired can.
I'm not saying you like the ruling (It's not really legislation. The ATF is making things up as they go.) but I think too many gun owners are taking this too lightly. Too many have the "What's the big deal?" attitude. It's a big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
And people are paying significantly more for m193 as well. You can't buy ANY.223/5.56 bulk ammo at a decent price now. It's practically the same for 7.62x39. If you haven't stocked up already on your preferred flavor, you missed the boat and hopefully you can wait till the next lull (if there is one) in the storm to buy. Our side, as usual, is myopic and only focusing on the specific issue at hand and not seeing the big picture. This is about far more than m855.
^Winner winner, chicken dinner. This is just the beginning of things to come. M855 today, 193 tomorrow. Pretty soon you are only left with $3+ a round specialty hunting ammo (that is imposable to find). Pisses my off as I look around the web and see people comment "I don't shoot that anyway go ahead and ban it" They are missing the bigger picture,Quote:
Originally Posted by mutt
I stand corrected. Very good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by mutt
Potentially true. That sort of outcome wouldn't surprise me at all. As to the folks who don't care... That just frustrating as all Hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
Funny you should say that. I met and talked with Rhonda Fields back in 2013 when the stupid laws were just starting to be put out. I really did not know who she was at the time. Her first question to me as a gun owner was "How can we get at the ammo?". I said "You can't". She did not like this answer. It struck me as odd since the laws were on BGC's and Magazines.
Just saying....
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Originally Posted by mutt
There is a difference between fighting the legislation and running out and panic buying the ammo though.
Their side is unified with one goal - total disarmament. Nothing they say, do or inquire about is harmless or unrelated. Their only real division is how fast they want to achieve their goal and using how much force. Some want it it done over night with paramilitary thugs kicking in doors and dragging people into the streets. Others are content with a more "civilized" approach - the long game of death by 1000 cuts. The rest support something in between but the end goal is always the same. It's kinda impressive considering most of their foot soldiers, like Rhonda, don't have 2 functioning brain cells in their skulls. Their command structure is highly organized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
Too bad we don't even really have a side. We're like a bunch of retards screaming past each other on the short bus. A bunch of self-interested sub-groups who really only care about their small part of the 2A and are all too willing to sacrifice the rest of it so they can keep their cherished part for just a little longer. Even our so called leadership is suspect. The likes of the NRA more often than not fails to inspire me. I have more than once wondered who's side they are really on.
Again - it's not legislation. It's a royal decree disguised as an ATF ruling. Congress never authorized the ATF to regulate non AP rifle rounds. Yet it's funny how all three branches, especially Congress and the Courts, conveniently overlook this detail and let the ATF redefine what AP is whenever it wants. There's no question who's side the Govt as a whole is on. You really can't petition a corrupt government for redress. Sometimes panic buying, especially for those who didn't plan ahead, is the only real option. All we really can hope is that money talks and the lobbyists for the ammo industry grease enough palms to make this go away for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
The point that I'm trying to make is that if people are really worried about, they should write in (I did), as that takes MUCH less effort than running around town trying to buy something. Priorities I guess.
Writing in may take less effort but it's not effective. It all gets deleted without ever getting read. Even our representatives could care less about our letters, no matter what their generic auto-responders say. They only care when lobbyists come bearing checks. Hopefully the likes of the NRA, GOA and NSSF are writing a lot of checks for the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
This will get decided by money. Either the ammo industry will lose too much money and they'll fight it with lobbyists and lawyers, or they will get lucrative contracts from the govt to offset their loses and they'll quietly go along with the ban. Considering who's president I'm not sure if offering contracts is on the table. Bankrupting the ammo industry may be a goal as well.
I meant writing into the ATF, since they have to review all the comments.
Like that matters. I am sure some over worked intern is busy mailing off canned response letters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
'murica. The best government money can buy.
write in and state your case of course, but in the meantime prepare
The ATF unlike one's .gov rep IS required to read AND respond to each letter & e-mail they receive. It's one if not the only reason the CLEO sign off for Form 1 application implementation, has been pushed back till May.Quote:
Originally Posted by mutt
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Originally Posted by mutt
This^
This. That CLEO write off issue came up a while back I believe as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo