SENATE'S GUN CONTROL READING * LIVE

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Originally Posted by sellersm

My point was that information is to be held by the FFL, it isn't submitted to the ATF, is it? I could be completely wrong, in which case I admit it...

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And if the BATFE comes in and takes down all the info from every 4473 that FFL still has on file?

"I would rather die in a country that is free, than live in a country that isn't!"

Probably the best quote I've heard these past several weeks! BRAVO!

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Originally Posted by Dave

And if the BATFE comes in and takes down all the info from every 4473 that FFL still has on file?

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You mean like they did in CT after Sandy Hook?

Who is this guy? I have no idea what he's saying right now.

ETA: It's making more sense now. I like the "plastic and springs" line. :)

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

I'm going to form an anarcho-syndicalist commune with all my friends, family and members here with joint ownership of all firearms. We can take it in turns to be a sort of executive officer for the week...

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There's some lovely filth over here Dennis.

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Originally Posted by djkest

Who is this guy? I have no idea what he's saying right now.

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Senator King

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Originally Posted by sellersm

Please explain your logic. 4473 doesn't have details of the firearm... Going through an FFL for a purchase is NOT gun registration.

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The 4473 does have the type, manf, and serial of the firearm. It doesn't get passed to cbi of nics, but it's on the 4473.

check page 3 : http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

If a firearm is traced, the go to the manf, then the distributor, etc etc, till they get to the first retail sale. After which, the trail mayl go cold, if the orig retail buyer sold, lost, gifted, or transfered.

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Originally Posted by sellersm

You mean like they did in CT after Sandy Hook?

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Yeah, they can do this of they are trying to trace a firearm used in a crime. I just worry that in the future they will do it as a means of building a register of firearms.

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Originally Posted by Dave

Yeah, they can do this of they are trying to trace a firearm used in a crime. I just worry that in the future they will do it as a means of building a register of firearms.

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The law actually bars ATFEIOUEEEEE from taking the 4473 forms and making copies.... But it's been known to happen.

In regards to the 4473, that is a federal form, the state has no legal right to access that form.
Not that that will necessarily stop anything, but there are some barriers in place which prevent CO from accessing those forms wholesale.