Hard to fight criminals when they're too busy choking out and doping up autistic kids walking home from the convenience store.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
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Hard to fight criminals when they're too busy choking out and doping up autistic kids walking home from the convenience store.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
The police didn't dope anyone up. And from what source did you learn McClain was autistic?
It was directed by LE to EMS resulting from an unnecessary escalation that led to a classic spectrum response, which even for someone not on the spectrum would be understandable. And, given their egregious, unprofessional, unethical, and completely insensitive post-incident behavior, which led to multiple cops being fired, it's pretty safe to say that they approached him looking for a fight and engendered the response they got precisely because of the fact that he was self-described as "different".Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Watched a lot of videos of him. Dude was almost certainly on the spectrum and there's tons of article by parents of autistic children who immediately recognized it as well. Dude was Spergier than a D&D game held in a Programmer's cubicle.
LE can't direct EMS to do anything. The EMT's work under a doctors license and they only can do what is authorized from that doctor.
So, the short answer is you don't know that he was autistic. The officers didn't know he was autistic. As a matter of fact, as far as I can tell, he wasn't diagnosed as autistic. I disagree with your assessment the officers were looking for a fight. Following a distinct pattern of people who die at the hands of police, McClain immediately became argumentative and resisted officers who had a legitimate reason to contact him. Then he became combative. That's not acceptable. And I also can't find any reference that LE "directed" EMS to give McClain a ketamine injection. And never in 15 years of working the streets have I ever seen a police officer direct EMS to do anything medically related. As far as I can tell the only thing the officers did was try to hold him still while EMS administered the injection.
I don't disagree with the firing of the officers for their unprofessional conduct with the photo incident. I do find the timing of the outrage over this incident to be suspicious. Frankly, I think it's politically motivated as "the right thing to do" in the current climate where so many falsely claim police are indiscriminately killing black males.
I've seen many people question why it took "so many officers" to control McClain. People who haven't been in that situation don't understand how difficult it can be to control someone without hurting them. Most of what people say about this incident is said out of ignorance. As a matter of fact, most of what people say about police work is said out of ignorance.
And, BTW... Being and introvert or "different" doesn't give you license to resist the police. It may play well to bleeding hearts but it doesn't mean anything to officers on the street...for good reason.
What do you think would've happened if McClain had identified himself to officers and cooperated with their brief investigation? It's speculation on my part but I'm gonna say they would've done what they needed to do and McClain would've continued his walk home. He made the decision to resist and fight the police. At what point does personal accountability come into play?
As I understand it.....
The police were responding to a report of a suspicious person. McClain was wearing a full head/face ski mask in the middle of summer (remember, pre-covid that would have been v suspicious) and talking/arguing with himself. Because it was reported, the protocols required the police make contact with the individual. It went sideways from there.
At some point in the past, a rule was enacted to improve some situation that required police actually follow up on a reported issue, regardless of the report. So the cops HAD to interact with Elijah, regardless if they thought the situation didn't require it. They weren't out trolling for a victim. I can only guess that ketamine was introduced after some combative or violent or unstable person was injured getting arrested and the brilliant idea that someone came up with to prevent that from happening again was to blindly inject combative people with ketamine. I understand it makes things safer for the officers involved, but there are so many potential medical issues with blind injections I just cant see how it is a good direction to be headed. But again, to meet the demands of the public or that of a publicly elected official, the protocols used on Elijah were put in place by people above those expected to use them in the field. As long as the officers/EMS followed protocol, they should be exempt of any wrongdoing.
I agree the photo thing was in very bad taste. Wrong. I am on the fence that such an act immediately results in losing a job. People are imperfect and make mistakes. Just because they work for the gov doesn't eliminate that aspect. I am amazed at how often a poor choice of words online results in pitchforks and torches to have them fired and ruined. I thought people had the chance to apologize, learn from mistakes and be better people, but in today's age I guess not. Sad.
I just watched the body cam footage from all the officers. They were polite and professional during the contact. Many, many times they told McClain "it's not a big deal", "just relax", "calm down" and other things trying to talk him down. McClain refused to follow directions from the moment the officers contacted him. He fought before and after he was restrained. His death was brought on by his actions and maybe the ketamine. The autopsy report says the level of ketamine in his system was "therapeutic". The report says it can't be determined if the carotid hold contributed to his death. It does say his physical exertion "most likely" contributed to his death.
Stop. Resisting. Police.
Fight them in court if you wanna fight.
Damn ! This beginning to warm up a bit....... [Pop] Wonder where the ban hammer is going to hit........[hammer]
It was the police officer that said that Elijah McClain would be administered ketamine before the ambulance was on the scene. This statement was recorded on camera. The District Attorney did not mention the police officers words in his statement.
This case stinks. Elijah McClain vomited before he was injected with ketamine. You do not want to sedate with ketamine if a patient is vomiting. If the injection accidentally becomes an intravenous injection instead of a intramuscular injection, it will most likely result in death. A ketamine injection is a very serious medical treatment. The injection was administered while the patient was lying on ground I assume, according to the DA's statement. In the dark, on the grass, injecting a vomiting patient with ketamine? RUFKM? Just the chance of the patient suffocating on their own vomit is enough to rule out using that drug.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfzJzAm-OV0
http://adamsbroomfieldda.org/wp-cont...CD-8-24-19.pdf