Gonna be a mess - got an excuse to agitate

Can anyone envision a peaceful resolution down the road to all of this?

It seems to me that on one side, we have emboldened protesters, including a segment of rioters, looters, and provocateurs that are mostly operating without consequence and continually asking for more. There are a lot of peaceful protesters too but there is a growing "entitlement" so to speak where they believe the outcome they want is required. Meanwhile all of that also firmly entrenches and polarizes the opposing side, and everyone in the middle observing everything ends up themselves getting polarized in one direction or the other.

I see this getting worse, but I'm not so sure I ever see it "getting better". I guess there's some hope they'd freeze their butts off in the wintertime, but I'm not sure that's going to do any more than dampen it unless we get feet of snow. And even then, I'm not so sure this is blown over in 2021, especially if Trump is re-elected.

Everyone is so hot headed on the issues now its been ripe for foreign interference to try to increase tension however possible, not that they need to try hard. It's obvious what their end-game goal is.

To the point, it makes me wonder what the final outcome really is going to be. I feel almost like we're just waiting for some kind of tragedy to occur at a protest which inevitably boils the pot over in a way we can't recover from, and it's almost surprising it hasn't happened.

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

Can anyone envision a peaceful resolution down the road to all of this?

It seems to me that on one side, we have emboldened protesters, including a segment of rioters, looters, and provocateurs that are mostly operating without consequence and continually asking for more. There are a lot of peaceful protesters too but there is a growing "entitlement" so to speak where they believe the outcome they want is required. Meanwhile all of that also firmly entrenches and polarizes the opposing side, and everyone in the middle observing everything ends up themselves getting polarized in one direction or the other.

I see this getting worse, but I'm not so sure I ever see it "getting better". I guess there's some hope they'd freeze their butts off in the wintertime, but I'm not sure that's going to do any more than dampen it unless we get feet of snow. And even then, I'm not so sure this is blown over in 2021, especially if Trump is re-elected.

Everyone is so hot headed on the issues now its been ripe for foreign interference to try to increase tension however possible, not that they need to try hard. It's obvious what their end-game goal is.

To the point, it makes me wonder what the final outcome really is going to be. I feel almost like we're just waiting for some kind of tragedy to occur at a protest which inevitably boils the pot over in a way we can't recover from, and it's almost surprising it hasn't happened.

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Nope. This will end ugly.

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

Can anyone envision a peaceful resolution down the road to all of this?

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No. I wanted to think there was, but every day I'm becoming more convinced this doesn't have a peaceful resolution.

Many times the only thing that can bring two polar opposites together is if they both get attacked, if they have a common enemy. I don't even think that would bring the country together now. A significant percentage of the country would join the enemy, they already have basically. Unity and patriotism took hold for just a bit after 9/11, but that faded quickly and division has been taking hold since.

Nothing will make these rioters happy. Nothing will make the Marxists happy. Increasingly, nothing will make the Left happy. Hell, LEO have been fired. LEO's have been put in jail. The police have been defunded in places. That's what they demand. But they still riot. We could give them everything and they'd just demand more using violent threats.

On the other hand, if the country flat shut them down. Used extreme measures to stop the riots. Put these terrorists in jail. Stopped Marxist policies. Voted out Marxist politicians. A strict "better dead than Red" campaign. That wouldn't be peaceful either.

And that's just an example of the riots/BLM/antifa nonsense. What about teacher's unions refusing to send teachers back to school. Entire school districts demanding parents NOT observe online classes. Groups of people advocating for pedophilia. Groups advocating in favor of killing babies. Colleges running courses which state from day one that conservative viewpoints will result in expulsion. Demands for reparations. Demands for redistribution. Elected officials deciding by EO what business will fail. On and on and on. Some of these issues don't have a middle ground. Many of them don't.

Families are disowning each other based on opinions on some of these issues and others. It's happening A LOT. My FIL asked my wife over the phone a couple weeks ago who she voted for in 2016. Completely out of the blue. They weren't even discussing politics. She refused to answer. Told him it's private and it doesn't matter. That she just wanted to talk about coordinating piano lessons for our kids with my MIL. He pushed and pushed and when she wouldn't answer, he called her a smug bitch and hung up. He's NEVER done anything like that before. He's always been left, but never rude about it. We've always avoided political conversations with him and he's always respected that. But now their relationship is over. And for what? It would have been worse if she answered. I know for a fact, we're not the only family experiencing this.

As a country, we've reached the point of irreconcilable differences.

This division is going to take at least a generation to fix. And the country won't look the same anymore. I'm convinced of that now.

Just wait until the cops in the George Floyd case are acquited. Then the cops in Atlanta (Rayshard Brooks) are acquited. And then the cops in Aurora (Elijah) are acquited. They were all over-charged by political DA's who will almost certainly lose.

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Originally Posted by Mtneer

Just wait until the cops in the George Floyd case are acquited. Then the cops in Atlanta (Rayshard Brooks) are acquited. And then the cops in Aurora (Elijah) are acquited. They were all over-charged by political DA's who will almost certainly lose.

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Atlanta DA already lost...the election.

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Originally Posted by Mtneer

Just wait until the cops in the George Floyd case are acquited.

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Just wait until Trump wins re-election.

I don't see how we remain a country much longer to be honest. And the instant it erupts into actual civil war, the Chinese will invade.

Hopefully that asteroid that's headed this way is big enough, and on target enough to just wipe the earth out.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

No. I wanted to think there was, but every day I'm becoming more convinced this doesn't have a peaceful resolution.

Many times the only thing that can bring two polar opposites together is if they both get attacked, if they have a common enemy. I don't even think that would bring the country together now. A significant percentage of the country would join the enemy, they already have basically. Unity and patriotism took hold for just a bit after 9/11, but that faded quickly and division has been taking hold since.

Nothing will make these rioters happy. Nothing will make the Marxists happy. Increasingly, nothing will make the Left happy. Hell, LEO have been fired. LEO's have been put in jail. The police have been defunded in places. That's what they demand. But they still riot. We could give them everything and they'd just demand more using violent threats.

On the other hand, if the country flat shut them down. Used extreme measures to stop the riots. Put these terrorists in jail. Stopped Marxist policies. Voted out Marxist politicians. A strict "better dead than Red" campaign. That wouldn't be peaceful either.

And that's just an example of the riots/BLM/antifa nonsense. What about teacher's unions refusing to send teachers back to school. Entire school districts demanding parents NOT observe online classes. Groups of people advocating for pedophilia. Groups advocating in favor of killing babies. Colleges running courses which state from day one that conservative viewpoints will result in expulsion. Demands for reparations. Demands for redistribution. Elected officials deciding by EO what business will fail. On and on and on. Some of these issues don't have a middle ground. Many of them don't.

Families are disowning each other based on opinions on some of these issues and others. It's happening A LOT. My FIL asked my wife over the phone a couple weeks ago who she voted for in 2016. Completely out of the blue. They weren't even discussing politics. She refused to answer. Told him it's private and it doesn't matter. That she just wanted to talk about coordinating piano lessons for our kids with my MIL. He pushed and pushed and when she wouldn't answer, he called her a smug bitch and hung up. He's NEVER done anything like that before. He's always been left, but never rude about it. We've always avoided political conversations with him and he's always respected that. But now their relationship is over. And for what? It would have been worse if she answered. I know for a fact, we're not the only family experiencing this.

As a country, we've reached the point of irreconcilable differences.

This division is going to take at least a generation to fix. And the country won't look the same anymore. I'm convinced of that now.

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That's generally the perception I feel too. I'm not certain that it'll end in e.g. swaths of violence yet, but more so than anytime in my life it does feel like we're on an interstate to Rome, so to speak. It's hard to fathom how the union will manage to stay together if this degradation continues, and it feels all but inevitable that it will continue. But even then, the ramifications of the disease that is happening in 2020, although possibly terminal, could take many years or decades before it finally "kills things off", or maybe much shorter, I'm not going to act like I know how fast it is happening.

That's not to imply the world ends for us either, just as the roman people by far and large kept on living.

I do feel like we saw peak 'Merica possibly in the 90's before the .com bust, or potentially 2001 as you mentioned. There doesn't seem to be a way back.

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

That's not to imply the world ends for us either, just as the roman people by far and large kept on living.

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If we're not strong and powerful and able to project that power around the world there are too many people that won't let us keep on living.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

If we're not strong and powerful and able to project that power around the world there are too many people that won't let us keep on living.

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No doubt a sizable portion of the world wouldn't cry if we all perished. But, what we have is also valuable and people themselves are valuable, even dating back to the most ancient of conflicts, it's historically very rare to exterminate a populace. Even if our government vomits through its nose, if anything it could make it even riskier for a foreign government to try anything overt, as we'd have less to lose by pressing the "nuke" button at that point. I think they just want us to self destruct through covert means inciting civil strife, wiping out the populace doesn't seem like isn't on anyone's agenda whom actually poses a risk to accomplish it.

I tend to think we'd just fragment into smaller countries. Whether that is from violent internal conflict or not, the net effect of that accomplishes the desires of at least Russian and China - much like the EU, militarily and economically we'd be no competition anymore to impede their own interests in their own regions. I don't think they really want to invest the real blood and money to try to force an interest in ours - the exception being of course, covert interests which they already do.

IMO the reason trump has not let the federal agency's and NG out, in force, is. IF they did it plays in to the lefts hand. Saying See we told you trump, is a dictator and will use the military to subdue the "People".

Like i've said before and i'll say again. These riots across D controlled strongholds is a warm up. Biden wins, they feel they've been given a mandate to purge any visible, or potential thinking, that goes againt their feels.

Trump wins, well we've been seeing biden and others, for a few months, saying trump is already influencing the elections. Which will empower the rioters to really kick it up a notch.