Unarmed, wounded 19-yr old causes Boston lockdown

So now it appears that the Ruger 9mm pistol recovered at the scene after the 26-yr older brother was killed, was the only firearm these two low-lifes had.

Despite the Leftist media reports of multiple handguns and an assault rifle, latest reports are that the 19-yr old was unarmed, bleeding, hiding in that boat.

I know hindsight is 20/20, but when our FBI can't even track the older brother after Russia alerts us that they have concerns, and he is collecting welfare, it just shows that our 'intelligence' agencies are highly suspect in their capabilities.

That then calls into question a number of decisions made, IMHO.

What about the video the media keeps playing with all the gunfire after the suspect is found in the boat? Law enforcement was shooting at an unarmed suspect?

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Originally Posted by kidicarus13

What about the video the media keeps playing with all the gunfire after the suspect is found in the boat? Law enforcement was shooting at an unarmed suspect?

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Not sure but this again shows how many problems there are with the media trying to sensationalize everything.

Would you put it past the authorities to start shooting out of fear, anger, frustration? Not saying that it was done maliciously, but who knows what could have triggered the first shot.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3150723.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...armed/2111145/

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/b...-when-captured

Kid also looked mighty "intact" climbing over the side of the boat, for a guy who's now been on a ventilator for the past week.

As minor a detail as it is, the music thing is odd too. Now there's supposedly this mysterious cleric named Mischa who radicalized him - convinced him that Islam considers music a sin. So the kid stops his music education program cold, stops listening to music altogether, and begins preaching about that to his friends/family. And yet he's quoting rap lyrics a few days after the bomb went off? No pithy quotes from the Prophet? He chooses to tweet lyrics from what many people consider the worst genre Western music has to offer?

I'm not totally donning my tinfoil hat this time, as I'm aware a lot of the discrepancies have been pointed out by less than typically credible sources. But there's a lot that doesn't add up...

And to add to it, even more tin foil stuff.

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/0...ultiple-times/

I hate to wear my tinfoil, but there al kinds of things about al harbi that dont add up

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Originally Posted by kidicarus13

What about the video the media keeps playing with all the gunfire after the suspect is found in the boat? Law enforcement was shooting at an unarmed suspect?

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That never happens. See !

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...b1e4970d-640wi

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Originally Posted by lowbeyond

That never happens. See !

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...b1e4970d-640wi

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Good to know LAPD does Center Of Tailgate training for their officers. I'll have to build up an AR500 tailgate now for my dodge

heh totally. but then you would be a terrorist with an assault tailgate. [ROFL2]

I assault my wife's tai.... never mind. :-)

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Originally Posted by kidicarus13

What about the video the media keeps playing with all the gunfire after the suspect is found in the boat? Law enforcement was shooting at an unarmed suspect?

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They were so freaked out they would have shot a cat in an alley thinking it was a terrorist cat. What is truly amazing is that either of them still draws breath.

I was listening to the Boston scanner that night, and there was a time during the search when an officer came on asking if there were any long-guns found at the scene of the first shootout (with both brothers). The officer answered that there were two handguns in the street along with two "devices." The officers confirmed this back and forth a couple of times.

I never understood why the media was not listening to the same scanner traffic I was.
All night, I was hearing one thing from the cops, and at the same time, completely made up BS from the media.

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Originally Posted by davsel

completely made up BS from the media.

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The 'media' disseminates a story, but I'm no longer convinced who the author is, regardless of who the story is attributed to. The media may simply be a puppet/mouthpiece to further someones agenda.

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Originally Posted by losttrail

So now it appears that the Ruger 9mm pistol recovered at the scene after the 26-yr older brother was killed, was the only firearm these two low-lifes had.

Despite the Leftist media reports of multiple handguns and an assault rifle, latest reports are that the 19-yr old was unarmed, bleeding, hiding in that boat.

I know hindsight is 20/20, but when our FBI can't even track the older brother after Russia alerts us that they have concerns, and he is collecting welfare, it just shows that our 'intelligence' agencies are highly suspect in their capabilities.

That then calls into question a number of decisions made, IMHO.

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You had me nodding in agreement until the dig on intelligence agencies. Ya know, people bitch and moan quite a bit (I know, I got it all the time in the Army) about how intelligence folks aren't good enough and what not... What exactly are your expectations? Do you think we're God or something? We can't know everything all the time, and we're not omnipotent and precognitive. FBI, CIA, etc. probably did have this guy on their radar, and just because Russia says "keep an eye on this guy" doesn't exactly warrant going on a witch hunt and shipping someone off to Gitmo. They probably didn't find any evidence to do much of anything. As crooked as our federal LE can be, 9/10 times they still have rules to follow, especially when it comes to foreign threats. After Benghazi it was the Obama administration trying to levy the blame on the "intelligence community," but for some reason no one gave the intelligence community a pat on the back for foiling the Millennium operation and the Brooklyn Bridge operation (oh what's that, never heard of those two foiled attack attempts? Not surprised), but the second you don't stop something from happening, suddenly you're incompetent and incapable...? /rant

As to this whole thing, I honestly think we're not getting the whole story. Also, on top of that, a judge and federal attorney came in this morning and Mirandized the suspected bomber (yes, I didn't mince words, he hasn't been proven guilty in a court of law). That surely ended the FBI's questioning when he exercised his right to remain silent. What they did was totally legal, as it was needed prior to his arraignment, but I do question the timing of both the reading of his Miranda rights and the scheduling of the arraignment before the FBI concluded their interrogation.

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Originally Posted by Dingo

I assault my wife's tai.... never mind. :-)

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lol winning...

Remember that not only are all media wonks under pressure to get the story out before the other guys, their story has to be more sensational than the other guys' as well. Truth? They're not concerned about no stinking truth. They're concerned with advertising revenue. The faster they get out the more sensational story, the more advertisers they'll attract and the higher they can jack up their rates. Cha-ching, everybody gets another buck.

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Originally Posted by rondog

Remember that not only are all media wonks under pressure to get the story out before the other guys, their story has to be more sensational than the other guys' as well. Truth? They're not concerned about no stinking truth. They're concerned with advertising revenue. The faster they get out the more sensational story, the more advertisers they'll attract and the higher they can jack up their rates. Cha-ching, everybody gets another buck.

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Agreed.
Wouldn't it be nice if just one of the major networks worked hard to put out the "truth."
I believe they would gain quite the following once they earned a reputation.

Henninger had a good column in the WSJ: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...MoreIn_Opinion

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Originally Posted by Daniel Henninger

In contrast to the Bush era fight over how many judges had to approve surveillance of terrorism suspects, we had the transfixing spectacle last week of Bostonians okay with having their city transformed into a state of virtual martial law after the bombs went off.

The citizens of Boston and its suburbs allowed massively armed SWAT teams to enter their homes, order residents out and eventually find the bullet-riddled Dzhokhar Tsarnaev lying half-dead in a boat. When it was over, people lined the streets to cheer the police army. You'd need more than a roving wiretap to find a peep of objection from the old Bush critics.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Henninger

But let us posit an unimpeachable fact: Whatever their eventual opinion of "Bush-Cheney," Bostonians and Americans generally would have happily signed off on a warrantless wiretap of the Tsarnaevs' phones before the deaths and mutilations of April 15, 2013. The long fight over the Bush domestic antiterror effort was a case study in partisan extremism run amok in Washington, even as a silent majority of Americans across the political spectrum wanted such protections.

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So, what about that boat? Did they shoot it fulla holes like that house in Clint Eastwood's "The Gauntlet" and the douchebag came out unharmed? Any photos of the poor, deceased boat? If I was the owner I'd be pissed.

Also- point of contention to add:

"Unarmed, wounded 19-yr old causes Boston lockdown"

This title is, I believe, a bit inappropriate- Is the OP implying that Dzhokar Tsarnaev is not a BG? It's a little misleading in a perceived bias that perhaps the person police took into custody on Friday was not indeed an armed and dangerous suspect.

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Originally Posted by kidicarus13

What about the video the media keeps playing with all the gunfire after the suspect is found in the boat? Law enforcement was shooting at an unarmed suspect?

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I heard or read (cannot remember which) that an officer observed the suspect from a neighboring house. That officer fired the first shots, then other officers thought those shot were from the suspect so they started to fire. Then a superior officer called a cease fire.

I'm not up on all the details. I'd say it was reasonable for the officers on scene to believe he was armed after what transpired.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

I'm not up on all the details. I'd say it was reasonable for the officers on scene to believe he was armed after what transpired.

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I should say so.

This Monday morning quarterbacking irritates me.

What I don't like is that the older one was allowed back in to the country but it doesn't really matter since he would have just gone to Mexico and gotten back in that way.

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Originally Posted by roberth

This Monday morning quarterbacking irritates me.

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The internet is only designed for two things...yanking it and judging others actions without fear of reprocussions. Like 75/25 yanking it to MMQBing.

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Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem

The internet is only designed for two things...yanking it and judging others actions without fear of reprocussions. Like 75/25 yanking it to MMQBing.

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Man... I hope you're here judging all of us.

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Originally Posted by ray1970

Man... I hope you're here judging all of us.

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[ROFL1]

ZING!

I love being stereotyped...

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Originally Posted by ray1970

Man... I hope you're here judging all of us.

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Let's not discount anything just yet...

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Originally Posted by ray1970

Man... I hope you're here judging all of us.

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I prefer not to know. The mystery... Mmmmmmm.

The way Boston was locked down and "authorities" went door to door bothers me quite a bit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEfoCUHk1e8

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Originally Posted by keylay31

The way Boston was locked down and "authorities" went door to door bothers me quite a bit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEfoCUHk1e8

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"Rescued at gunpoint"


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.