Great piece, although long
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/opinio...tml?TNNoMobile
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Great piece, although long
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/opinio...tml?TNNoMobile
A good, long read. Unfortunately - how many libs will actually read this and care?
Excellent essay but he'll lose the libs on paragraph 2 once it's clear he actually cares about Texas as much as Boston and isn't talking about gay marriage, legalizing pot, or free contraceptives.
Liberals only care when your heart can bleed from emotion instead of factsQuote:
Originally Posted by kawiracer14
Its a good read, however "in a nutshell" implies brevity.
That was brief, because he could have written an entire book on the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Excellent read, and yet another one that should be a prerequisite for anyone wanting to argue gun control.
Good info and points, and agree it's an excellent read, but to the above posts as well, libs could care less and it's a rinse and repeat of the same info "our side," has been posting, preaching etc. Until there is something presented to help perusade the low information left side of center masses, it's all on deaf ears to those we wish would listen anyhow.
Great read... on thing did hit with me pretty hard, and it seems like we too (most of us anyway) are guilty of perpetuating this, although it kind of goes along with the idea that you can only get pushed so much before you push back:
"The rift is already beginning. We must mend fences...Now."
Fuckin' A right.
http://m.iowastatedaily.com/mobile/o...a4bcf887a.html
It's a good read, a few excerpts.
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I’ve come to realize after the Sandy Hook shooting that the reason we can’t have a rational gun debate is because the anti-gun side pre-supposes that their pro-gun opponents must first accept that guns are bad in order to have a discussion about guns in the first place. Before we even start the conversation, we’re the bad guys and we have to admit it. Without accepting that guns are bad and supplicating themselves to the anti-gunner, the pro-gunner can’t get a word in edgewise, and is quickly reduced to being called a murderer, or a low, immoral and horrible human being.
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Gun people don’t trust anti-gun people because they keep saying they “respect the Second Amendment” and go on about how they respect the hunting traditions of America. We don’t trust you because you have to be a complete idiot to think the Second Amendment is about hunting. I wish people weren’t so stupid that I have to say this: The Second Amendment is about checking government tyranny. Period. End of story. The founders probably couldn’t have cared less about hunting since, you know, they just got done with that little tiff with England called the Revolutionary War right before they wrote that “little book” called the Constitution.
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You anti-gunners out there will lead us down a path you do not want to go down. Your lack of care and understanding of those who abide by America’s oldest and deepest-rooted tradition will cause a social rift in this country of the likes we have never seen in America’s young history. Your lack of understanding chances causing a civil war — a civil war that will be far worse, more acrimonious, more prolonged and more deadly than the last one.
beat ya to it.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/102209-...-in-a-nutshell
Well if you would have included anything (author, title, etc) in your post besides the link I would have been able to find it when I searched.
Bump to put this in front of the repost by newracer.
Libs don't want to "understand" because they my loose their friends in the process.
[handbags]
Good point, we should have a rule about this.[pick-me]Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
I'm gonna copy/paste that article into Word and print that sumbitch! Copies will be delivered to every idiot anti I encounter.
The civil war garbage is ridiculous. We aren't even close to a civil war, to say so makes people look foolish. There is zero organization just a some pissed off people.
How would your estimation of the situation change if someone openly stepped up to lead those who feel that a leader is just what they are waiting for. Hypothetically, if that person arose, would you feel like the "closeness" to civil war would move a perceptible amount?Quote:
Originally Posted by tmckay2
Bumping the original thread on this again ... just because ... [mop]
A liberal will probably never come across the article, but that isn't the point, I think, the point is to help those of us who aren't wordsmiths of any kind make a compelling argument out loud for the things we know in our heart. If we're talking to someone who's listening and not just waiting for our mouth to close, they're probably not a liberal extremist, they're probably part of the majority who is currently being influenced by the biased news and made-up statistics that anti-(specific)freedom liberals are currently feeding them who need to hear the other side of the argument put concisely. The most compelling argument is the one to which the counter argument is never presented.
That was an expecially good article, irregardless of whether or not it was a repost. That's a mute point.
Oh Jee-zus!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Well played, sir... Well played.
AAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! [panic]Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
/Zundfolge is later found in the fetal position under his desk.
Merged my repost into this original thread. Great read, every gun owner should read this.
I don't advocate a civil war and agree we are not near one now but.... At the end of the Bush years we were close to an economic cliff much as Greece is today. They are having a civil war and the government is afraid of losing power. Are we there, no, could we be.... It depends on how things go from year to year. What is to say that in 20 years the economy has broken from debt, a government overreaction has not lead to the populus being tired of it. Small things nobody saw lead to unrest boiling over. Rodney King and the LA riots, a taxi driver in Egypt, a monk self emolating, a man running into a bank and demanding all of his money causing a depression. It is not crazy or ridiculous, it is learning from history to be prepared because enough unrest leads to civil war. How you prepare is up to each family but should not be put down unless taken to an extreme that affects others. Right now it looks like the economy is turning around and we are less upset overall but who is to say what will happen tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmckay2
I don't think the average bovine voter out there has enough passion about anything beyond the latest offering from Apple, to get riled up and strike back at the oppression marching toward us from Washington. It's a nice thought, but a police state is coming. Aside from some small pockets of resistance which will spring up when the inevitable "it's not really martial law... it's just for your safety" restrictions hit, there won't be much fight-back. Unfortunately...
Agreed but if you were going to merge anything, you should have merged THIS repost with the ORIGINAL thread: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/102209-...-in-a-nutshellQuote:
Originally Posted by Omicron
[Coffee]
um, that's what I did, then deleted the repost. Look at the date. Oi. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
Do you seriously believe one guy asking for his money from a bank can cause a depression? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_...eat_DepressionQuote:
Originally Posted by Hound
Not sure what "emolating" means, but guessing you are referring to immolation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation
"we found him laying prostate on the floor".. [Coffee]Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Hey, self-immolation is the ultimate "emo" thing to do - I totally get it. :-)
I was self-emulating, just earlier today.
Wow, where the hell are you getting this crap from? We were NOT anywhere NEAR a cliff as bad as Greece in 2007 or 2008. Much of what was wrong was concentrated in a few sick areas which were being overblown by the media in order to make a bad situation look even worse for the 2008 elections. They kept repeating this "worst economy in 60 years" BS despite the very recent very apparent example worse economy: the Carter malaise. Interestingly, some of those sectors have recovered while the decay has spread wider across the general economy but we're still not even close to Greece's level yet (until Obama's markers come due).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
No you didn't -- newracer's thread was a repost itself. Look at the time. Oi yourself. [Beer] [Flower]Quote:
Originally Posted by Omicron
May I add...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
This is implying that the economic woes of '08 were the fault of Bush and his administration. This simply is not the case as that's just, conveniently, when the bubble (originating with the Clinton Administration) burst. Now our future, thanks to an election last November, has the potential to make '08 look like a bad day for the DOW.
Do I think that was the spark of the great depression, yes. Do I think that was the cause, no. There were a lot of things building up to it, over many years but there is a tipping point with all rebellions. You never know what it is going to be. We just got through seeing how even in a modern stock market, fear kept driving us down, past were logical reason would have stopped. A guy saying the bank is out of money in the 20's and everybody running in to grab their money, not being able to get it, when banks were not trusted to begin with... That is where the term "A Run on the banks" comes from. Where I put the statements in was meant to show this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Singlestack
Ya, been playing too much D2 and spell check missed it. I suck at spelling, enough said.
Self Immolation in the case of Thich Quang Duc was seen by many as the start of the Vietnam war and also the more recent 'Arab Spring' in some countries. Again, the point is that 'stable' societies can suddenly become unstable when it is least expected.
BTW: I don't generally take Wiki as a good source in debates ;)
Ya, two wars, tax cuts for the rich and finally a give away at the teasury (Corporate welfare)... Rewritting history does not make it so. And ya we were on the cliff unless the simple math is too hard. Using the S&P adjusted for inflation we lost 80% of GDP at the lowest point of the Great Depression. We lost almost 60% in 2008. Folks, that's a cliff, pure and simple. If we had kept on with the current policies of the time it would have been much worse and Bush after 8 years gets FULL ownership. 4 years might have a weak case... 8 years she is all yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
Psst... you've got some Michelle Obama brand lipstick on your lips... Kissing the same ass as Carney?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
I wasn't saying Bush gets no blame, but not 100% of it. Your talking points, while valid, do have a smarmy, Liberal tinge to them.
Remember...that's coming from someone who said Louisiana was a republican state during Katrina and there wasn't a democrat in sight (paraphrased). Except for the governor (Blanco), the mayor of NO, the management of the city, numerous democrats in both houses of the state legislature, etc... Pretty much the entire top leadership of the state and city of NO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
And Hound's talking points are straight out of the democrat playbook. Let's not mince words and call them "tinged" with liberalism. FFS...tax cuts for the rich? Zero credibility if you can't even understand the differences between simple concepts: like tax cuts and not raising tax rates.