Worthless Employee Rant...sort of

Story of this employee's (and I use that term loosely) work (that term is loose too) at my company:

• Day 1. She comes in a few minutes late and starts her training, most of which is a video presentation and workbook. She tells me a couple hours before quitting time that she has to go pick her kids up from school because she doesn't have anyone to do it, but says she will have it covered the next day.
• Day 2. She comes to work a few minutes late again, finishes the self training part, and then I work with her for a couple hours on training and paperwork procedures. I get called away at 1pm, she tells me again she has to leave at around 3pm (2 hours early) because she has nobody to pick up her kid. I hear later that she actually took off minutes after I did (4 hours early).
• Day 3. Calls in because her kid is sick, but apologizes profusely and says she needs this job
• Day 4. Saturday
• Day 5. Sunday
• Day 6. Calls in, kid still sick.
• Day 7. Calls in, other kid now sick.
• Day 8. Calls in with two sick kids and personal issues. Quits, but asks if we can "keep the door open" for later..... right!
• Day 9. Thursday.
• Day 10. Calls in to make sure we are going to mail her a check for the two days (term used loosely as she came in late and left early) she worked (again... term used loosely).

I know this isn't much of a rant, and I don't expect a high score, but seriously WTF! I understand if she actually worked, but she did NOTHING! She was late and left early both days she was here. She tied up HR with background checks and new hire paperwork. She cost us 30 bucks for the background check. She will waste my book-keepers time processing her payroll. She wasted my assistants time who sat with her personally during her training. She wasted my time having to write this to vent.
How could someone have the nerve to asked to be paid for completely wasting everyone's time?!?
Wonder who she voted for with her sense of entitlement.

Well, frankly, I think that was a great rant. Specifically because you maintained a pretty good attitude throughout the entire thing, you didn't call her a bunch of names and you shared this without a lot of hysterics. You get bonus points for not being in jail for choking the life out of her around Day 8 (though that would've made for interesting and compelling drama).

The Judge from Bailey gives it a 9.

Damn, brother.

The lesson you learned was priceless!

Take it out on the people who interviewed her (double beating if it was just you)

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

now you policy should read " un paid training, unless you last a month, at which time we will pay you for the two days"

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Unfortunately I do not believe this is legal. "Minimum wage" training with a starting bonus to make up for that training time wage after a month sounds good though.

Sounds like typical employees these days... This should give you a good chuckle:

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Unfortunately labor law will side with her and dictate you pay her for time worked, regardless of how useless she was.

Was she hourly, if so pay her for only the exact number of minutes she worked.

I thought it was a really good rant. Everyone recognizes the frustration that social loafing brings to a workplace environment. I would have kicked her out the moment she left early- and I would have given her a warning the moment she waked in late. That's ridiculous! Hope your boss tightens up the policy a little, so you don't have to deal with that again.

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Originally Posted by J

Unfortunately labor law will side with her and dictate you pay her for time worked, regardless of how useless she was.

Was she hourly, if so pay her for only the exact number of minutes she worked.

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Base, so pretty much salary. I will prorate the monthly base to hours worked.

If it was me, I would copy and paste this rant in to the body of an email to send directly to her as an explanation of why she doesn't deserve a penny. But still pay her anyway for closure's sake.

In the future, include a training and paperwork fee, equal to the first two day's pay, which will be waived if the employee completes their training and works to the end of their first pay period satisfactorily. I believe that is legal as long as it's in writing and the employee acknowledges it before starting work.

She didn't get injured during her two days of training, and file a Worker's Comp case, so I would consider yourself ahead of the game.

Post the opening up here. There are plenty of people here who either could use the work or know people who could use the work. Besides, if they are members and they exhibit that type of employee behavior, we can all ridicule them after they quit. [Flower]

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that perhaps this young mother was an "everybody's a winner" kind of child while growing up. You know, time outs and all that happy horse shit.

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Originally Posted by Otterbatcat

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that perhaps this young mother was an "everybody's a winner" kind of child while growing up. You know, time outs and all that happy horse shit.

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except not young... we were all shocked when we found out she had young kids.

Weird deal, man.

Glad she's gone....hope you get a decent responsible person to field the position soon... :)

Oh, and I thought the soft rant was worthy.

You should really delete this thread till it's all said and done with.

I've worked for a company that stated: "You will only get paid for your training on your first full time paycheck. If you do not complete a full pay period, you will not get paid for your training." There was a spot that you had to initial to acknowledge the statement next to it. I think that would take care of your problems in the future.

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Originally Posted by Monky

You should really delete this thread till it's all said and done with.

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Monky's been hanging out with too many lawyers lately....

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Originally Posted by spyder

Monky's been hanging out with too many lawyers lately....

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Payroll/Labor is ruthless business. Monky's suggestion (if serious) is extreme, but isn't really bad advice.

Having employees sucks, I'm a single guy because I enjoy life drama free, but the moment I get to work, and MANY times before and after work, I acquire anywhere from 2-8 kids (out of 12 employees) depending on who's deciding to act like a man that day. And the union rules make it so it takes an act of congress, signed off on by SCOTUS, and a Seal team 6 mission in order to fire one of these assholes.

At this point I'd just be glad you got rid of her before she would be eligible for unenjoyment.

Did she call you on her Obamaphone?

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Originally Posted by TheGrey

I thought it was a really good rant. Everyone recognizes the frustration that social loafing brings to a workplace environment. I would have kicked her out the moment she left early- and I would have given her a warning the moment she waked in late. That's ridiculous! Hope your boss tightens up the policy a little, so you don't have to deal with that again.

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I'd give it a 9. It was coherent and used proper spelling/punctuation. Which is more than I can say for a growing number of posts, lately.


Did this lady come from farther up canyon?

Consider it money well spent! You learned about her real "work" ethic with only 2 days pay. She could have played it up for a couple months and then started this crap. Then, it would have been real tough to get rid of her.

Imagine this shit after you put someone through 9 months of very expensive training (think 40k) at $60/hr wages. Grrrrrr!

Sucks, but could be worse (although you seem smart, so you probably wouldn't get suckered into this one...)

My work hired a Senior Chemist, the duties included method developement, training more junior chemists, daily lab duties, etc. A guy from Atlanta was apparently a great candidate, and they offered him the job, including relocation assistance. He had been out of work a while and had a family back home, so he asked for a two week advance on his pay to drag his stuff out to Colorado...

He lasted three weeks before he called to say that his kid had gotten hurt, and he needed to go visit them. We never heard from him again. The company got three weeks of training in, and no useful work from him. So they started using a temp agency to screen people and vet them for three to six months on contract before hiring.

HR sounds like a cluster either way, glad I'm just a worker bee and don't have to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by spyder

Monky's been hanging out with too many lawyers lately....

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I don't let Monky hang with me.

Just pay her for the time and be glad she isn't an employee. It will cost a lot more in the long run if she was smart enough to make a fuss about it...although I doubt she is remotely close

I give a 10.

Sounds like my INTERN at work. He's (she maybe?) has been late or missing more than actually attending work. Drives me nuts!

But what is really critical to your rant, you left out.








Was she hot?

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

But what is really critical to your rant, you left out.








Was she hot?

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I had to wait 32 posts for someone to address the elephant in the room...

"No matter how hot she is, there's a man somewhere who's tired of putting up with her." - Unknown

I think there's a lesson to be learned here, as the biz side, consider this a stupid tax. Implement the new training policy mentioned earlier, get it validated by a labor attorney and then the OP is protected for the future. When I worked for LM, I saw this crap all the time...

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Originally Posted by cstone

She didn't get injured during her two days of training, and file a Worker's Comp case, so I would consider yourself ahead of the game.

Post the opening up here. There are plenty of people here who either could use the work or know people who could use the work. Besides, if they are members and they exhibit that type of employee behavior, we can all ridicule them after they quit. [Flower]

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I second this.

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

But what is really critical to your rant, you left out.








Was she hot?

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Imagine Bert with a long grey wig on, and a much less noticeable mustache..... Yep, it was that bad.

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Originally Posted by Leobj

She could have played it up for a couple months and then started this crap. Then, it would have been real tough to get rid of her.

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Well, yes and no, CO is an "At-Will" state, so getting rid of her's easy. Filling her position, that's tougher. (Of course, this ignores if she were to try to get some sort of discrimination lawsuit in the works, then yeah it'd be costly).

Fwiw I liked the rant. It told a very frustrating story.

We have constant turnover in this business, and it's upwards of 50k to train someone up to a decent level.

Some people fail to train, and their initial training earned them about $12k, earning the company $0.




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Originally Posted by crashdown

Imagine Bert with a long grey wig on, and a much less noticeable mustache..... Yep, it was that bad.

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ferchrissakes man...

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...411/Bleach.jpg

We deal with this a lot but usually longer and much more costly. 10 to 20 weeks of training paid to only never generate a dime of revenue off of them.

I'd pay her for the time worked and move on.