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http://minutemennews.com/2013/06/twa...isrepresented/
credible? I can't tell - maybe too early
Bogus.
Hoser, thanks for all of your help with the Black Forest and past fires - you have saved many homes!
FoxNews is actually running the story.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/18...#ixzz2WfOHCkQb
Like the irs targeting conservative groups or the nsa recording all your phone data??Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
No, more like the Ft Hood Tango being "Workplace Violence," and the Benghazi murders being "caused by a YouTube video."Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
Nothing to see here. Move along.
The NSA recording all internet and phone data is not true. Thats a conspiracy theory, remember?Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
Damn near everything is plausible at this point.
Too many years ago and too many people involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
TWA 800 was one of the most investigated crashes in aviation history.
And airplanes fuel pumps have a history of catching fire. Happens more often than you think.
I did a 5 min search of Google and didn't find any other 747-100 fuel pump firesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
And usually when a fuel pump burns up they burn they don't blow the whole airplane apart especially 12 min after takeoff when the tanks are full
Yah, Hoser doesn't know much about aircraft.Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
Obv he does does all I'm saying is that I'm not buying shit our .gov says
I don't trust a thing the government says, every day you look at the news someone or some governmental representative has lied to us. My question is when is this going to end!
I was pretty sure it was a missile. But then again the .gov swears the Kennedy assassination was a lone gunman...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
I can't believe you guys! You should believe everything the gobment tells you like its the gospel.
A Boeing 737-400 caught fire in Bangkok in March 2001, a 737-300 in the Phillipines in 1990 ... your Google fu is incompetent.Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
737 this is a 747-100 u r dumbQuote:
Originally Posted by spqrzilla
Those along with the IRS and NSA scandal show exactly why this isn't a coverup. People spoke up against the official story in those instances and our government is too large and inefficient to successfully hide much of anything from We The People. Pete Blaber(former Delta Force officer) came to the same conclusion after working in the darkest halls of our way too big and poorly run government.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
I've got a theory about man being descendants of apes. I have nothing to show as proof for it, but let's teach it in schools.
CNN is running it too:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/19/us/twa...aim/index.html
Never mind, just not worth it.
lol i don't know what this was about, but you're probably right... [Flower]Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
When it originally occurred, over a dozen witnesses on the ground stated they saw a "red streak" similar to a missile shooting up towards the plane immediately prior to the explosion. An early leaked/bogus news story stated that traces of PETN were found on the wreckage. LOTS of Stinger missiles were unaccounted for after the Afghan rebels we were covertly supporting finally convinced the Soviets to pull out. It is not implausible that it might have been one of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
Really? and just how old are all those lost stingers? Seriously old and stored in conditions that would suck ass for anything much less a stinger. Additionally, smuggling a stinger in from Afghanistan? It would be easier to try and steal one from US or Canadian forces. Good luck with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint45
Here's the deal. Counter-intel's main concern in a warzone is to find and eliminate any SAMs near an airbase. I did it for a living and I'm here to tell you we didn't sweat the cheap ones. Ya, we bought them off the streets, but it was damn near impossible to hit an aircraft with the right stand-off, even if it's taking off or landing. Ever wonder what dictates the paramter around an airfield? I don't. Bottom line, short of a very high end SAM like a stinger or SA-16 or above, you are NOT hitting one plane with one shot in one try. No way no how. Don't care how badass you are. And you better be a serious badass if your are going to steal a stinger or smuggle in an SA-16 or better from some ex-soviet country.
I'm simply not believing this plane was brought down by a SAM until I see some serious evidence to support it, and a couple of guys saying, " Oh ya, it's true, it's true" isn't evidence.
Center wing tank exploded on TWA 800, it was empty, but still full of gas fumes and due to a short circuit. It is THE most documented crash investigation of all time....Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
The military version of the 747-100 experienced the same problem in the early 80'.
There are way too many tinfoil hats on this topic...So you are telling me the government shot down a commercial flight over off Long Island?Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
And every sailor involved has kept his/her mouth shut since. Yeah, that works.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImNtUrBuddyGuy
A red streak like a missile huh? Just like the gas station attendant in the 9-11 truther videos that heard something that "sounded a lot like a missile" hit the side of the pentagon....
I wonder if ANY of the people involved have ever seen (or heard) a surface to air missile fire?....
I was just thinking some guy with a Stinger, a scanner to listen to air traffic and a small boat. Of course the .gov ain't gonna tell you that is what happened. I just thought when it first happened it was a faulty aircraft. But then came some eyewitness accounts of something streaking towards the aircraft. For reference...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_MIASQuote:
Originally Posted by ImNtUrBuddyGuy
From:
http://observer.com/1999/07/radar-sh...ght-800-crash/
It would seem that even the F.B.I. secretly regarded the 30-knot track as suspicious. For six months, the Government conducted a $5.5 million trawling operation of the waters surrounding the crash, using scallop boats. Commander Donaldson has obtained documents left by the F.B.I. on one scalloper, showing that the F.B.I. was specifically looking for shoulder-fired Stinger missile parts-notably a Stinger ejector motor-in what the F.B.I. called a “possible missile launch zone” 2.7 miles from the crash. That circle included the mystery boat.
Or maybe it was a flying saucer that came down from space and shot it out of the sky with lasers. But of course the government is not going to tell us really happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
Back in the mid-80s when they were still fresh in their sealed crates, I'm sure more than a few were diverted to a few interests with the cash to buy them. I heard that they were asking an even million dollars apiece for them on the black market, and the CIA tried to buy back all they could. The Saudis could certainly afford a few, and they were probably very well stored. Getting them into the US 20 years later wouldn't be a problem. They are not radioactive and were not equipped with GPS. The Chinese smuggle all sorts of stuff across our borders in CONEX containers loaded onto freighters. Easier to smuggle it in on a Saudi yacht with diplomatic privilege. But maybe it really was a defective fuel pump. I dunno. Actually, I'm more concerned about the Soviet nuclear warheads that allegedly went missing shortly after the Soviet union broke up . . . or the alleged NATO tacnuke remote mines (AKA "suitcase nukes") that allegedly disappeared. No-one seems to have any idea where they went (if they actually existed). Of course, it's a lot more complicated to detonate a nuke than fire a Stinger. IIRC those Stingers even came with a cartoon instruction manual in Arabic and several other languages so the mujahideen could shoot down Mi-24s with minimal training.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
If it was shot down by terrorists they would claim the attack in order to cause terror. If it was shot down by the government they would do everything possible to hush the missile story and surely wouldn't have the FBI searching for months for a launcher.
Witnesses report a lot of crap that never happened.
I'm not buying the missile theory for a lot of reasons. But it seems, according to the below story, it's not as hard as you make it out to hit an aircraft with a portable missile:Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
SOURCEQuote:
Since 1975, 40 civilian aircraft have been hit by MANPADS, causing at least 28 crashes and more than 800 deaths around the world, according to the U.S. State Department.
TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by spongejosh
The terrorists did:
http://www.thehullthread.com/claims.htm
And the Govt did:
http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/twa800.shtml
[pick-me] Red streak? Never seen that- smoke trail, yes, but never seen a "red streak"- unless they're speaking about the exhaust- in which case, nope, not there either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick-Boy
Here is similar to what I got to sit in and watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av2BzaXF6lg
I'm gonna say that SA might be mistaken on the models and types... By the way, for those that don't know, MANPADS are MAN-Portable Air Defense Systems... and are usually SA-7s (or related Soviet Portable SAM Systems) and use IR to home in on engine exhaust to track the target and hit them. You can very easily shoot down an aircraft with an SA-7, which entered service in the late 1960's. How do I know all this you ask? It was my job to know the threats to our rotary wing aircraft in Afghanistan and the SA-7 is not impossible to acquire by anti-US forces over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Well there are rumors that JSOC has rendered safe WMDs in the last 10 years so I'm sure someone knows where a few are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint45
Wasn't the airliner at the very edge ( if not past) the SA-7 or Stingers max range ( in altitude)
Making a shot from either of those platforms unlikely.
TWA 800 was at about 15000 feet when she broke up .. that is the upper edge of the stinger and over the SA7's max altitude.
Ooh, good point! Stingers are considered to be low-altitude engagement weapons... SA-7's maximum altitude is about 14,000 ft. and that's the absolute ceiling for that missile.Quote:
Originally Posted by clublights
The investigation stated that it was over 13,000 but under 14,000 feet at the time of the initial explosion.