Microsoft caves on Xbox One requirements

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06-19-2013, 16:52
RblDiver

Microsoft caves on Xbox One requirements

For those gamers among us: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Looks like they caved and are turning off the always-online bit and the trade-bit.

I'll admit, I wasn't really bothered by them. The online thing was potentially troubling (just in case of prolonged internet outage, but that happens very infrequently). As for the trade thing, I don't really have any IRL friends who are gamers who I'd trade with anyway. Plus, quite frankly I loathe the "used game market." Price it only $5 cheaper while screwing the person on the repurchase (I've resold _one_ game ever, bought it for $60, resold it 3 days later for $20). Plus, the developers don't see a dime from that second purchase, so I was thinking the trade restrictions would actually benefit them (well, trade-in, not necessarily trade-between-friends).
06-19-2013, 17:02
Monky

Voting with your pocket book works.
06-19-2013, 17:05
Zundfolge

I still predict that the PS4 is going to kick the ever living snot out of the XBoxOne.
06-19-2013, 17:34
wadero

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

I still predict that the PS4 is going to kick the ever living snot out of the XBoxOne.

+1
06-19-2013, 17:36
blacklabel

Re: Microsoft caves on Xbox One requirements

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

I still predict that the PS4 is going to kick the ever living snot out of the XBoxOne.

In what way? Not being confrontational, just curious.
06-19-2013, 18:04
Ridge

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Originally Posted by blacklabel

In what way? Not being confrontational, just curious.

You still need to buy a premium membership on Xbox in order to use netflix.

Xbox still has a camera and microphone that is always on, and Microsoft has admitted to being in bed with the NSA spying thing for years.
06-19-2013, 18:08
MrPrena

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

I still predict that the PS4 is going to kick the ever living snot out of the XBoxOne.

I agree. Gamers agree, and people from wall st agrees as well.
06-19-2013, 18:29
coldaudio

This sucks, I really liked the sharing plan they had proposed, share a game with up to 10 friends with up to 2 people playing it at a time, would have saved so much money by not buying the play-it-once-through single player games.
06-19-2013, 18:40
RblDiver

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Originally Posted by coldaudio

This sucks, I really liked the sharing plan they had proposed, share a game with up to 10 friends with up to 2 people playing it at a time, would have saved so much money by not buying the play-it-once-through single player games.

I think it wasn't "share with 10 friends," I think it was "Share with your family, which can have up to 10 people." I could be wrong :P

I'm actually still rooting for the XB1. I suppose my time as a tester for the 360 has biased me somewhat, but I prefer MS. Do remember, while MS has indeed likely cooperated with the NSA, Sony was the one which was hacked and had stored passwords in the clear.
06-19-2013, 18:48
coldaudio

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Originally Posted by RblDiver

I think it wasn't "share with 10 friends," I think it was "Share with your family, which can have up to 10 people." I could be wrong :P

I'm actually still rooting for the XB1. I suppose my time as a tester for the 360 has biased me somewhat, but I prefer MS. Do remember, while MS has indeed likely cooperated with the NSA, Sony was the one which was hacked and had stored passwords in the clear.

They actually stated that it can be 10 "anybody's" in one of the press releases/conferences :) I'm rooting for them too, I'm a big fan of the current setup. PS getting hacked last year also took their online service down for weeks!
06-19-2013, 20:26
akumadiavolo

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Originally Posted by Ridge

You still need to buy a premium membership on Xbox in order to use netflix.

Xbox still has a camera and microphone that is always on, and Microsoft has admitted to being in bed with the NSA spying thing for years.

Over 70% of Xbox owners have Gold memberships, and with the PS4 requiring PS+ for multiplayer I bet numbers there will be similar. And either way who the fuck pays 400-500 bucks for a netflix machine when a 50 dollar blu ray player can do the same thing? I seriously question the intelligence of anyone who has that as a deciding factor.

The NSA has a record of all internet traffic that crosses US DNS servers. So anything that happens online on XBO or PS4 is all the same. And don't forget, the kind of people who buy such expensive machines usually will also have smart phones amd laptops and other devices tht have mics and cameras and gps that can be exploited as well. The console that sits at home should be a very minor concern in comparison.

It's going to come down to the same thing it does every generation, who has the better games, and who can drop prices fastest.
06-19-2013, 20:28
Squeeze

I'm not surprised they caved. I'm still not convinced they won't revert back to the original set-up once they've conned everyone into buying it. I'm on the fence if I am going to switch to PS-4 or stay with Xbox. If I have to use that shitty "connect" thing, I'll just turn it around and have it face the wall looking at a picture of some fat guy with an NSA shirt on railing Obama in the tailpipe. See how much they like spying on that! On a side note, I think they did make a wise choice listening to the gamers. From what I hear they really got blasted with e-mail and YouTube bashing videos.
06-19-2013, 21:01
Zundfolge

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Originally Posted by blacklabel

In what way? Not being confrontational, just curious.

In sales. The PS4 is just as powerful, cheaper and has more games (and is backward compatible). Add all the angst and anger generated in the gaming community by the release of the Xbox One and you have the makings of a major revolt against MS here. Too bad because I still think Sony is more evil than MS.
06-19-2013, 21:07
RblDiver

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Originally Posted by Squeeze

If I have to use that shitty "connect" thing, I'll just turn it around and have it face the wall looking at a picture of some fat guy with an NSA shirt on railing Obama in the tailpipe.

That's what they'll see if they watch me, no turning around needed [LOL]
06-19-2013, 21:08
RblDiver

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

The PS4 is just as powerful, cheaper and has more games (and is backward compatible).

No. PS4 is NOT backwards compatible.
06-19-2013, 22:15
akumadiavolo

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Originally Posted by RblDiver

No. PS4 is NOT backwards compatible.

This is correct. Both platforms will have a limited selection of the older games available for download, but both systems architecture is far too different from their predecessor to do hardware emulation. I bet we see 30-40 of the most popular titles released before it is killed off. Software emulation or completely re-writing the code of the game(essentially it would be porting it to the new systems) is very hard to do, so it won't be worth it for them to do it on a large scale.

I am really sad for the lose of the Xbox Family feature, as I think that would have been the best thing to happen to a game console ever. We also lost the ability to have a disc-less system while maintaining the ability to have a physical backup. Both of those features outweighed the downside of the security features to me. I think it's funny because a few years ago one of the things people most wanted was a physical media free console, then those same people complain when they put in security measures to prevent people from exploiting it. People just want to have their cake and eat it too.
06-20-2013, 04:07
Byte Stryke

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Originally Posted by RblDiver

For those gamers among us: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Looks like they caved and are turning off the always-online bit and the trade-bit.

I'll admit, I wasn't really bothered by them. The online thing was potentially troubling (just in case of prolonged internet outage, but that happens very infrequently). As for the trade thing, I don't really have any IRL friends who are gamers who I'd trade with anyway. Plus, quite frankly I loathe the "used game market." Price it only $5 cheaper while screwing the person on the repurchase (I've resold _one_ game ever, bought it for $60, resold it 3 days later for $20). Plus, the developers don't see a dime from that second purchase, so I was thinking the trade restrictions would actually benefit them (well, trade-in, not necessarily trade-between-friends).

what in the ...

Thats like "I Sold my chevette yesterday so I Sent 80% of the money I got back to GM."

It isn't like you decompiled their code, made something new and resold it... you are selling your disc, with their PRODUCT on it that you PAID for
you OWN it, I am seriously getting tired of this licensing and ownership crap.
06-20-2013, 07:28
RblDiver

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

It isn't like you decompiled their code, made something new and resold it... you are selling your disc, with their PRODUCT on it that you PAID for
you OWN it, I am seriously getting tired of this licensing and ownership crap.

Well, technically speaking, no, you don't own it, you're just licensing the rights to play the game. That could be a whole different argument altogether. (Edit: I need to l2read the whole thing, saw you mention the license thing at the end :P lol)
06-20-2013, 08:21
Zundfolge

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

It isn't like you decompiled their code, made something new and resold it... you are selling your disc, with their PRODUCT on it that you PAID for
you OWN it, I am seriously getting tired of this licensing and ownership crap.

I wonder if the OUYA will be any good (its borderline open source).
06-20-2013, 08:50
kawiracer14

I bought my PS3 when I bought my new Plasma TV 4 years ago when blue ray players were still quite expensive. It is now a netflix and blu ray machine. I don't think I've played a game in 3 years. No new product for me!
06-20-2013, 09:01
Zundfolge

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Originally Posted by RblDiver

No. PS4 is NOT backwards compatible.

Ah, well that sucks. I still think the PS4 is going to outsell the Xbox One by a large margin.
06-20-2013, 09:20
RblDiver

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Ah, well that sucks. I still think the PS4 is going to outsell the Xbox One by a large margin.

Perhaps at first. Just hope Sony's learned from their previous venture in not making enough to sell! http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=211
06-20-2013, 09:29
PugnacAutMortem

I am glad to see Microsoft cave on this stuff. Honestly the way to go for these new systems is to wait 12-18 months. Then you get to see a sizable selection of games for both, and all of the launch run glitches and bugs get worked out. And hopefully the price comes down $100 each in that time frame as well.
06-20-2013, 09:52
Jer

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Originally Posted by Monky

Voting with your pocket book works.

This is what I did and I knew they would likely cave before launch day. All my buddies that were complaining had also pre-ordered the first day of E3 and couldn't understand when I was telling them that these companies only existed to make money and complaining meant nothing when you already committed your buying dollars to them.
06-20-2013, 09:55
Jer

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

I still predict that the PS4 is going to kick the ever living snot out of the XBoxOne.

It's going to be a lot closer than you think and besides... who cares? The closer the competition the better for the consumer anyway unless you're some sort of a brand-loyal fanboi. It's going to be a fun winter for gaming!
06-20-2013, 09:58
JM Ver. 2.0

I'm thinking I should pre-order an XBone just to see if the resale value sky rockets after launch day...
06-20-2013, 12:14
Monky

Microsoft caves on Xbox One requirements

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Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0

I'm thinking I should pre-order an XBone just to see if the resale value sky rockets after launch day...

I'm thinking you should not. I don't see supply as being an issue, those days are over I think.

Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.
06-20-2013, 12:23
Jer

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Originally Posted by Monky

I'm thinking you should not. I don't see supply as being an issue, those days are over I think.

Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

Very little risk to play the game. I made over $10k on the release of the original 360 and I don't see the One coming anywhere near that demand but that doesn't mean I won't buy a few just in case.
06-20-2013, 15:13
JM Ver. 2.0

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Originally Posted by Monky

I'm thinking you should not. I don't see supply as being an issue, those days are over I think.

Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

Don't lie. You're thinking I should not because I'm a broke mofo. Not because I won't make money.

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Originally Posted by Jer

Very little risk to play the game. I made over $10k on the release of the original 360 and I don't see the One coming anywhere near that demand but that doesn't mean I won't buy a few just in case.

I agree with the little risk part. I don't know... I do know I'll be pre ordering a PS4 though.
06-20-2013, 15:49
Squeeze

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Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0

Don't lie. You're thinking I should not because I'm a broke mofo. Not because I won't make money.

I agree with the little risk part. I don't know... I do know I'll be pre ordering a PS4 though.

You're not the only one. I have a lot of friends that are current Xbox 360 players who have said they are pre-ordering PS4 and just keeping the 360. Microshit really kicked a lot of gamers in the crotch and they are pretty pissed about it.
06-20-2013, 15:56
JM Ver. 2.0

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Originally Posted by Squeeze

You're not the only one. I have a lot of friends that are current Xbox 360 players who have said they are pre-ordering PS4 and just keeping the 360. Microshit really kicked a lot of gamers in the crotch and they are pretty pissed about it.

I've never liked XBOX... I'm not a fan of the controller. Plus they kinda bit the bullet on the whole HD DVD Vs. BluRay thing.
06-20-2013, 16:00
JM Ver. 2.0

Now the question is... Do I want the COD Ghosts, Assassin's Creed, or Killzone bundle.....
06-20-2013, 17:40
Jer

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Originally Posted by Squeeze

You're not the only one. I have a lot of friends that are current Xbox 360 players who have said they are pre-ordering PS4 and just keeping the 360. Microshit really kicked a lot of gamers in the crotch and they are pretty pissed about it.

Life is WAY too short to harbor hate towards a video game manufacturer for doing something they never even did.

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Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0

I've never liked XBOX... I'm not a fan of the controller. Plus they kinda bit the bullet on the whole HD DVD Vs. BluRay thing.

I prefer the controller to the PS controller as it fits the hands much better IMO. Coming over to the original Xbox from PS I hated the original Xbox controller because it was HUGE. Then they released the Controller S (S is for sucks) and it was amazing. Easily the best fit for the human hands with everything right where it should be. This is the best controller in gaming IMHO. I'm happy they kept the controller largely unchanged for the One as I was afraid they might to fix something that wasn't broken.

As for the HD-DVD v Blu-Ray thing.. I disagree because the decision didn't help nor hurt either one of them in the end. Besides, both will be an extinct media before these consoles reach the end of their lifespan. I didn't own any Blu-Rays when I had my PS3's, I don't own any Blu-Rays now and I don't plan on starting now just because I will have a few Blu-Ray players in my house. Physical media is so 2000 and late. [Coffee]
06-20-2013, 17:40
Jer

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Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0

Now the question is... Do I want the COD Ghosts, Assassin's Creed, or Killzone bundle.....

Ghosts, The Division and maybe TitanFall.
06-20-2013, 17:45
cofi

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Originally Posted by Jer

Very little risk to play the game. I made over $10k on the release of the original 360.

wow you did good! i always miss those must have items my buddie made 4-5k off of the stupid tickle me elmos
06-20-2013, 17:58
Jer

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Originally Posted by cofi

wow you did good! i always miss those must have items my buddie made 4-5k off of the stupid tickle me elmos

I never got in on that craze but I do well on tech goodies. That $10k was after paying people to stand in line and keeping a bunch of gear for myself. I think I had three 360's, accessories & games for all of them and ten g's in my pocket. That didn't suck. My buddy made almost as much following my coattails and we had the most epic photo of all time with all that gear piled in the middle of an empty room and our eBay usernames had written on pieces of paper proving it was legit. I used to show the ladies that picture and they'd drop their panties!

No... not really. lol

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