Help settle dispute on athleticism...

Okay I figure there are a few here who know a thing or two about sports and could settle a friendly dispute I'm having among some friends- Within the context of the discussion, don't bring up outside arguments, please.
Here it is:
Which is a more overall athletically demanding sport: Hockey, or Basketball? Take into account endurance, toughness, athletic ability, stamina and overall skill set to play and excel at the game.

Two of us say Hockey, but one is stubbornly stating that while a tougher sport, hockey doesn't require the "pure athletic ability" required for basketball. -and yes, I laughed in his face, because that was just silly (IMHO).

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Okay I figure there are a few here who know a thing or two about sports and could settle a friendly dispute I'm having among some friends- Within the context of the discussion, don't bring up outside arguments, please.
Here it is:
Which is a more overall athletically demanding sport: Hockey, or Basketball? Take into account endurance, toughness, athletic ability, stamina and overall skill set to play and excel at the game.

Two of us say Hockey, but one is stubbornly stating that while a tougher sport, hockey doesn't require the "pure athletic ability" required for basketball.

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Having played hockey for better than half my life.... Hockey is by far more demanding of pure athletic ability.

Hockey for sure

After playing hockey at a high competitive level,hockey hands down.
Nowhere near the physical contact in basketball. Sure you might fall down and go boom or catch an elbow to the grill but you don't have 225# smashing you into the boards at 25mph. Or grinding with a forward in front of the net during a power play.
Physical contact wears you down much more than most realize.
Not to mention blocking a frozen 6 oz pill of vulcanized rubber at 90 mph.
Now let's add the diversity of skills one must have for hockey. As I am sure many here will agree skating forwards on its own can be quite a challenge let alone adding the dimension of skating backwards at full tilt, stickhandling, passing, shooting and reading the game.
Not slighting basketball but if you can walk and chew gum at the same time you can play Bball. Not so on ice.
Roller hockey is for those that can't hack on ice.

Hockey no question. From a physical stand point while basketball can be physical it is not on the same planet as hockey. From a skill or athletic stand point hockey players skate, stickhandle typically with peripheral vision to avoid getting their head taken off. A typical shift is usually less than a minute but skating is physically more demanding. Lastly swap sports can a hockey player bounce a basketball and shoot baskets ... Yes . Can a basketball player skate and stickhandle and shoot goals .........

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Basketball is a lot more physical than most people believe. However hockey is even more.

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Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0

Having played hockey for better than half my life.... Hockey is by far more demanding of pure athletic ability.

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Still hate agreeing with me? I've played hockey pretty much my entire life, and yep... played B-ball as a kid and look which sport I stuck with.
And Bert nailed it! I can't remember the guy's name, but one year in the Olympics a player from Finland took a puck to the face- broke his cheek bone, he finished out the rest of the games.

Hockey, for the reasons Bert wrote.

Who is the dillhole that voted Basketball but is too much of a wuss to show himself in the thread?

Athleticism is not even a proper word. The suffix “ism” generally refers to a belief system like atheism or Communism, a condition like alcoholism, or a behavior pattern like heroism or colonialism; all three of these categories of “isms” involve behavioral choices made by a person or group of people; none refer to natural ability or any other inherent characteristics; there is no word where the suffix “ism” means “ability” or an extraordinary presence of its root prefix, in this case, the word “athlete;” what the guy who coined the word athleticism was searching for was “athleticity;” “icity“ or “ity” are suffixes designed to convert an adjective into a noun like “ethnic” to “ethnicity” or “elastic” to “elasticity;” not that I’m pushing for the word “athleticity;” like “athleticism,” it has five syllables; I recommend we stick with “athletic ability” in spite of its seven-syllable length, although I would welcome an intelligent, shorter word for it; for those who claim football people are illiterate morons, the use of the word “athleticism” is further evidence they might be right

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Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0

Who is the dillhole that voted Basketball but is too much of a wuss to show himself in the thread?

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Now there's two... Tryin' to troll the poll..... [hahhah-no]

I vote mma. Haha

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Originally Posted by SuperiorDG

Athleticism is not even a proper word. The suffix “ism” generally refers to a belief system like atheism or Communism, a condition like alcoholism, or a behavior pattern like heroism or colonialism; all three of these categories of “isms” involve behavioral choices made by a person or group of people; none refer to natural ability or any other inherent characteristics; there is no word where the suffix “ism” means “ability” or an extraordinary presence of its root prefix, in this case, the word “athlete;” what the guy who coined the word athleticism was searching for was “athleticity;” “icity“ or “ity” are suffixes designed to convert an adjective into a noun like “ethnic” to “ethnicity” or “elastic” to “elasticity;” not that I’m pushing for the word “athleticity;” like “athleticism,” it has five syllables; I recommend we stick with “athletic ability” in spite of its seven-syllable length, although I would welcome an intelligent, shorter word for it; for those who claim football people are illiterate morons, the use of the word “athleticism” is further evidence they might be right

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[off-yourself]

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Originally Posted by SuperiorDG

Athleticism is not even a proper word. The suffix “ism” generally refers to a belief system like atheism or Communism, a condition like alcoholism, or a behavior pattern like heroism or colonialism; all three of these categories of “isms” involve behavioral choices made by a person or group of people; none refer to natural ability or any other inherent characteristics; there is no word where the suffix “ism” means “ability” or an extraordinary presence of its root prefix, in this case, the word “athlete;” what the guy who coined the word athleticism was searching for was “athleticity;” “icity“ or “ity” are suffixes designed to convert an adjective into a noun like “ethnic” to “ethnicity” or “elastic” to “elasticity;” not that I’m pushing for the word “athleticity;” like “athleticism,” it has five syllables; I recommend we stick with “athletic ability” in spite of its seven-syllable length, although I would welcome an intelligent, shorter word for it; for those who claim football people are illiterate morons, the use of the word “athleticism” is further evidence they might be right

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*tap tap* excuse me sir, would you mind not peeing in my cheerios? [grab]

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Originally Posted by SuperiorDG

Athleticism is not even a proper word. The suffix “ism” generally refers to a belief system like atheism or Communism, a condition like alcoholism, or a behavior pattern like heroism or colonialism; all three of these categories of “isms” involve behavioral choices made by a person or group of people; none refer to natural ability or any other inherent characteristics; there is no word where the suffix “ism” means “ability” or an extraordinary presence of its root prefix, in this case, the word “athlete;” what the guy who coined the word athleticism was searching for was “athleticity;” “icity“ or “ity” are suffixes designed to convert an adjective into a noun like “ethnic” to “ethnicity” or “elastic” to “elasticity;” not that I’m pushing for the word “athleticity;” like “athleticism,” it has five syllables; I recommend we stick with “athletic ability” in spite of its seven-syllable length, although I would welcome an intelligent, shorter word for it; for those who claim football people are illiterate morons, the use of the word “athleticism” is further evidence they might be right

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I'm going to take some heat for this too... Oh well...

Ol' Number 99... He's not "the great one"...

He's what you would call, a player beyond his time..

When he set all his records, goaltending and defense was NOTHING like it is now...

If you sent a Crosby, Ovechkin, Duchane, Landeskog, Stamkos, or a Marchand back to ol' Wayne's time... They would blow his records out of the water...

If you sent a Luango, Niemi, Crawford, Rask, Thomas, or Miller back to Wayne's time... You'd have guys with stupid stats...


Just an observation....

Conditioning wise I would think they are probably somewhat comparable. Both require good aerobic conditioning. B-Ball you are on the court full-time but you are not going balls out the entire time. An average shift on ice is 40-60 seconds but you are all out for that time. B-Ball requires a bit of explosive muscle work (aclactic conditioning IIRC) but nothing compared to hockey.
Play with a high level player and you are amazed at how they reach full speed in 3 strides. Forsberg, Sakic-their quads look like beer kegs.
By far the best conditioned player physically and mentally has to be the goaltender. He is on ice the entire game and requires strength, agility, cat reflexes, flexibility and brass balls. Do you have any idea what it takes to not flinch when somebody cranks a slap shot from 15' out from the net?
You can have all of the above but if you don't have a "head for the game" and constant laser intensity and focus you will only be so-so. A momentary mental lapse and Poof, the biscuit is in the basket.

JM, what make a player such as Gretzky and Roy, Belfour, Broduer etc great is not so much their athleticism but their "hockey head".
Gretzky KNEW where he was, where the puck was and his team mates were without looking.
Great goaltenders don't flop like fish and make spectacular saves.
The best save is the one you don't move to make, for you read the play correctly and played the position correctly.

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Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0

I'm going to take some heat for this too... Oh well...

Ol' Number 99... He's not "the great one"...

He's what you would call, a player beyond his time..

When he set all his records, goaltending and defense was NOTHING like it is now...

If you sent a Crosby, Ovechkin, Duchane, Landeskog, Stamkos, or a Marchand back to ol' Wayne's time... They would blow his records out of the water...

If you sent a Luango, Niemi, Crawford, Rask, Thomas, or Miller back to Wayne's time... You'd have guys with stupid stats...


Just an observation....

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I have to disagree with you.

You can disagree all you want. You're entitled to it.

But I promise it's true.

Seems to me hockey would take a bigger skill set than basketball. Have to have amazing eye hand coordination. Just being able to keep track of a small puck moving at crazy speeds would be hard. Then you add that you are in a confined space on skates, having to change directions quickly while keeping track of the puck and the other players.

If you watch pro ball now days they just seem to lope up and down the court, they pass the ball back and forth a few times and maybe a guy will take three quick steps and make a shot. Kind of boring to me. Now college and high school games seem to be more high energy to me, they actually put some work into their game.

4 people here cannot skate.........

One of the biggest changes to hockey is technology. Skates stay stiff through the entire game, pads don't absorb water, are lighter to start with(lift a pair of old brown Cooper GP58 goal pads compared to a pair of modern Vaughn or Brians pads).
Sticks are lighter and have more "whip", resuming in more accurate, harder shots.
It all adds up.
And Crosby is a bitch compared to Gretzky, Hull, Clarke, Esposito etc.

Ronin hit on something earlier. Basketball players break a finger or get a hangnail they are on the IR for 4-6 weeks. Hockey players have been known to play with broken wrists, ankles, shattered jaws etc.
And enjoy it.
Now here is the real key:
Hockey is still a gentlemans game. You have ettiquite on the ice and as a general rule hockey players are gentlemen off ice. Aside from a very few notable exceptions when was the last time a hockey player got jammed up about a pound of weed in the car, an illegal weapon possession, complicity in a homicide, domestic violence or the like?
Daily occurance for NBA and NFL players it seems.

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Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0

Who is the dillhole that voted Basketball but is too much of a wuss to show himself in the thread?

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Your mother is a dillhole Trebeck!

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

Ronin hit on something earlier. Basketball players break a finger or get a hangnail they are on the IR for 4-6 weeks. Hockey players have been known to play with broken wrists, ankles, shattered jaws etc.
And enjoy it.
Now here is the real key:
Hockey is still a gentlemans game. You have ettiquite on the ice and as a general rule hockey players are gentlemen off ice. Aside from a very few notable exceptions when was the last time a hockey player got jammed up about a pound of weed in the car, an illegal weapon possession, complicity in a homicide, domestic violence or the like?
Daily occurance for NBA and NFL players it seems.

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To the first part- yes, and watch what happens when a b-ball player gets knocked down... hint: it's similar to when a soccer player gets brushed up against. Compare that to a 200+ lb guy slamming you into the boards at full speed.

To the second part- yes! Thank you! You don't see Gabriel Landeskog hanging out with gang bangers, or getting busted for felon in possession of a firearm.

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Originally Posted by dirtrulz

If you watch pro ball now days they just seem to lope up and down the court, they pass the ball back and forth a few times and maybe a guy will take three quick steps and make a shot. Kind of boring to me. Now college and high school games seem to be more high energy to me, they actually put some work into their game.

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I totally agree with this. I honestly don't know or care if the NBA finals are over or who won, but I love watching college basketball.

Just ask the person "Which sport sees more fights break out (and quasi-sanctions them at that)?"

I've never played hockey so what do I know?

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Originally Posted by Sawin

I've never played hockey so what do I know?

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Its what you don't know.
You don't really know how to have fun in the cold.
You don't know how to really pronounce "out" and "about"
You don't know how to really wail on somebody and then go have a beer together and laugh about it.
You don't know how to take the wheels off of the refs car while he is officiating your game.
You don't know how to put a bit of tape on your buddies skate blade when he isn't looking so he looks like a four year old when he steps on the ice for his next shift.
You don't know how to really screw with the other teams head during adult league playoffs. (hint-"accidentally" walk into the wrong locker room and when they are yelling at you to get the eff out just turn and say "nice dick dude"). Messed them up badly and we ended up winning the league championship.


You have missed out on lots of fun!

Hockey players are pussies...

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

By far the best conditioned player physically and mentally has to be the goaltender.

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Didn't you used to play goalie???

What do you get if you take away the NBA? 7 foot tall garbage men...

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

Its what you don't know.
You don't really know how to have fun in the cold.
You don't know how to really pronounce "out" and "about"
You don't know how to really wail on somebody and then go have a beer together and laugh about it.
You don't know how to take the wheels off of the refs car while he is officiating your game.
You don't know how to put a bit of tape on your buddies skate blade when he isn't looking so he looks like a four year old when he steps on the ice for his next shift.
You don't know how to really screw with the other teams head during adult league playoffs. (hint-"accidentally" walk into the wrong locker room and when they are yelling at you to get the eff out just turn and say "nice dick dude"). Messed them up badly and we ended up winning the league championship.


You have missed out on lots of fun!

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Well slap me silly and call me Susan, I think I'm gonna take up hockey. There's a rink practically in my backyard, afterall. Guess I need to get some rollerblades first. I can ice skate alright, but have lots to learn there too :)

Hockey. Basketball now a days is watered down. You can't play physical defense anymore. But here is how you settle it. Take your friend to play a pick up game of basketball and a pick up hockey game. See which one he has an easier time doing. My guess is basketball haha

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

Its what you don't know.
You don't really know how to have fun in the cold.
You don't know how to really pronounce "out" and "about" ootanaboot!
You don't know how to really wail on somebody and then go have a beer together and laugh about it. done it. Minus the beer.
You don't know how to take the wheels off of the refs car while he is officiating your game. Wanted to do something like that once... Punching in the face is the same, right?
You don't know how to put a bit of tape on your buddies skate blade when he isn't looking so he looks like a four year old when he steps on the ice for his next shift. Tried, damn tape wouldn't stick.
You don't know how to really screw with the other teams head during adult league playoffs. (hint-"accidentally" walk into the wrong locker room and when they are yelling at you to get the eff out just turn and say "nice dick dude"). Messed them up badly and we ended up winning the league championship. [ROFL3]


You have missed out on lots of fun!

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Smack.




Susan.

Ixnay on the roller blades, you will develop bad habits from them when you transition to ice.
Besides, the worst part of rollerblading?
Telling your parents your gay.......

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

4 people here cannot skate.........

One of the biggest changes to hockey is technology. Skates stay stiff through the entire game, pads don't absorb water, are lighter to start with(lift a pair of old brown Cooper GP58 goal pads compared to a pair of modern Vaughn or Brians pads).
Sticks are lighter and have more "whip", resuming in more accurate, harder shots.
It all adds up.
And Crosby is a bitch compared to Gretzky, Hull, Clarke, Esposito etc.

Ronin hit on something earlier. Basketball players break a finger or get a hangnail they are on the IR for 4-6 weeks. Hockey players have been known to play with broken wrists, ankles, shattered jaws etc.
And enjoy it.
Now here is the real key:
Hockey is still a gentlemans game. You have ettiquite on the ice and as a general rule hockey players are gentlemen off ice. Aside from a very few notable exceptions when was the last time a hockey player got jammed up about a pound of weed in the car, an illegal weapon possession, complicity in a homicide, domestic violence or the like?
Daily occurance for NBA and NFL players it seems.

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Crosby is a bitch compared to every player ever to play the game... Even Sear Avery isn't as much of a bitch as Crosby.

Well... Nah. It's close, but no. Crosby is the bigger bitch.

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Originally Posted by Sawin

Well slap me silly and call me Susan, I think I'm gonna take up hockey. There's a rink practically in my backyard, afterall. Guess I need to get some rollerblades first. I can ice skate alright, but have lots to learn there too :)

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Promanade? That's where I play.. Sunday 545. Come watch.

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Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0

Promanade? That's where I play.. Sunday 545. Come watch.

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I didn't know they had "D" league on Sundays...

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

I didn't know they had "D" league on Sundays...

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That hurts my heart, bro.... :(

Hockey...there is a reason why there is a line change every 45-60 seconds. Hockey is one of the few sports where every player (except the goalie) must have a combination of explosiveness and endurance as well as hand to eye coordination and reaction time like no other sport not to mention be tough as hell. An NHL goalie is just a freak of nature.

Baseball...any sport that a player can play from beginning to end without breaking a sweat is pretty weak. It certainly takes skill to play the game, but it is not very physically demanding (reason they can play 162 games in a season). The most challenging part of the game is standing idle for long periods of time and sprinting without pulling a muscle.

Baseball is a game, not a sport...