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Wow Castlerock of all places at that. I guess the criminals will know where to go.
well.. a landowner as well as a private business has the right to prohibit anything they want other than deny someone a lease based on color. If the landlord is going this far it is likely that the complex has a lot of problems or they suck as a management company anyway and having to move might be the best thing to happen to these people.
Not only that, he said he was going to be forced ..... to leave his guns at a friends 30 miles away, not according to the new "Universal background check."
They probably already consulted a lawyer before making the notice, but I think it could be challenged in court. Only if he had a lawyer to knock them down.
I would lean towards liberal ass sucking management company. Not alot of lowlifes in that area. Perhaps Rap Sheet Rhonda bought the place with her Bloomberg dollars? Make some gun owners go homeless because of the sicknesses in their soul.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Either way another big reason to own not rent. According to my buddy who lives down the street their are some military folks living in the complex.
A landlord and a business owner are two different things, landlords do not have unlimited control, they are still bound by housing rules, the man is paying them for the space from this date to this date. They cant move his stuff or touch his stuff. Try to get someone kicked out of a house.................. the due process is intense.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Could be the landlords or management company is a Anti-2A owned business, but I do agree there has got to be someplace similar he could move to. Bet you some people will step up to help.
We had a member go through something similar just in the last two years or so. There are other ways to run residents that you don't want out, but this management company is misguided in which residents they don't want.
My old apartment had that policy too, i left them because of that, they would kick me out anyways, a repair guy came into my room and saw my rifle case and ammo case I had at the time. And noticed the office.
I agree on the landlord angle but I would be curious what his lease said, when his lease ended, if he is month to month etc etc. Can a landlord change the lease parameters in an apartment complex or can he be 'grandfathered' in or at least be given a reasonable amount of time to move? Guess what I'm getting at is, 1. what does his lease say, 2. when does the lease end/come for renewal.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Overall, just stupid. It would be on par with putting a sign on your lawn that says "gun free zone."
Agree misguided, the complex is located smack right in the middle of a very quiet and safe part of town. Douglas County is pretty conservative and does have alot of Conceal Carry holders. Heck when I first saw the article I expected Boulder or Manitou Springs as the location.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Either way we need to make sure that when someone runs a Internet Search for apartment rental that it shows this complex does not respect the 2nd amendment and a tenants right to protect themselves. It also tells the bad guys where to go. Sure no firearms may attract some tenants buy many people wont want to live in Bloomberg estates.
Doesn't matter until someone has the money to fight it. There's an apt complex that won't allow visible tattoos that has withstood 2 legal challenges.
Where is this. A place that you cant be an inkie? WTF
Denver. It makes the news and apt industry stuff quite a bit. The industry term would be "protected class" Race religion age sexual orientation.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoner01
I had the opportunity to challenge this myself but it was cheaper to move. I also worked at the place and quit shortly after the move.
Call or email them and tell them what you think... http://www.ross-management.com/ross-...type=community
While I agree that "gun free zones" are more of a target, I also believe that MOST criminals that would break into a low income apt. complex wouldn't even consider if they might be armed or not. The low life's that do break-ins on places like that, are to stupid and uneducated to do that research.
If it is in the rental agreement signed by the renter it is technically legal . . . but if they suddenly presented a longterm renter with a new revised rental agreement giving him 2 months to have his tattoos surgically removed or face eviction that would be a bit different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulf202
This makes it sound like a land owner and/or private business owners can prohibit ANYONE from bringing any firearms on his/her property even LEO's? Think the LEO's would comply with that prohibition??Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Some of you may remember when I posted that the mobile home park I live in has the same firearm policy. Apparently they have the right to do it even though I own the home I live in. I ignored the request to sign the lease agreement even though it states that not signing it doesn't exempt me from it. I still don't know how it can be enforced in my case since they can't come into the home I own without my permission.
I think they should... That would be fitting... "I'm sorry sir, but my officers are not allowed on your property- it says so right there in your guidelines, and since police are no different from your residents then we have to follow the rules you put in place." [LOL]Quote:
Originally Posted by BlasterBob
Aint never gonna happen. But I would laugh my ass off if it did.
His house, his rules. Don't like it move to another place.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Damn. I know this guy. He's one of my old customers. He's an awesome dude. He goes gold panning, turkey hunting, etc.
Guys in the same situation I am-retired-fixed income. Moving isn't always an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmleadr03
DISOBEY.
...and do your best to find somewhere else to live.
If the resident was being asked to move out because he was in a same sex relationship, would it still be "His house, his rules. Don't like it, move"? What is the difference besides one is a constitutional right.
I can see how this would be legal if you were entering into a new lease or renewing an existing one. However if you are in the middle of a lease I do not think it would be legal unless the lease states they can change the conditions at any time.
So could the owner say he won't rent to blacks? His rules, right? Or tell folks what they can't say in their apartments? Or tell them they have to go to church on Sunday?Quote:
Originally Posted by tmleadr03
It's interesting how some Constitutionally protected rights are more equal than others.
*yawn* this issue has been going around for awhile and is the subject of several current lawsuits. A private entity cannot make another give up its rights (neither can the government without due process). End of story.
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The National Rifle Association has won a round in federal court in its fight with the Wilmington Housing Authority over allowing guns in common spaces in public housing.
The U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals has decided to send a ruling that barred weapons from these public spaces back to the state so the Delaware Supreme Court can weigh in on, and possibly overturn, the restriction.
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Specifically, the Delaware justices will consider whether the WHA has the authority under the Delaware Constitution to limit the possession of firearms in its buildings and if it has the authority to demand that residents produce documents related to the weapons, like a state-issued concealed carry permit.
Legal briefing in the case is expected to be completed by November, likely followed by oral arguments sometime around the end of the year, according to attorneys.
Once the Delaware Supreme Court rules, the case will return to the U.S. 3rd Circuit for a final decision.
The phrase SMD comes to mind.....
Honestly wouldn't have a problem with that. He wants to do that he can go right ahead. Then word gets out and his business dies due to lack of participation in the form of renters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
Free market, how does that work?
Tom Martino was saying this very thing this morning, and he also said he wants to sue the apartment landlord. He seemed very serious about getting precedent set and disallowing this type of bs.Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
This. I am of the mind that people should be allowed to do business with whomever they like for whatever reason. Particularly in the modern era with instant reviews of everyplace imaginable, word would get out that "He doesn't serve <insert whatever group here>" and would either suffer for it or succeed through like-minded people.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmleadr03
Colion Noir picked up the story. Said He'd either help pay for the lawyer or the move. Personally, Id move.
I bet no LEO's live there...yeah I wrote their management a little email!
Well put.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_L
People are talking about how the "free market" might permit a landlord from discriminating against blacks or gays, but there are specific federal and state laws to prevent that sort of discrimination, with agencies to enforce it.
Which I disagree with. At one time they were appropriate but no more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint45
Last I checked, the US Constitution trumps "federal and state laws."Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint45
On Michael Brown just now, a commissioner from that area just said the policy has been rescinded (the parent company wasn't aware of it or something I think is what they said). Will look for another source on this.
Edit: A Douglas County commissioner. The Housing Authority didn't know about it, and told the management company they wouldn't enact it.
You should make the hook up and see if this goes anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_L
"I posted this story on my site and it's pissing me off. I want to help pay for his legal fees to fight this or help pay to help find somewhere he can live and still protect himself and hunt. So, if anyone has a direct line to this guy or a way I can get in touch with him please send me an email at mrcolionnoir@gmail.com
http://www.mrcolionnoir.com/news/col...t-rid-of-guns/ "