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So I have a 10/22 that I was thinking about upgrading to a precision-ish trainer. It looks like you could spend a G on parts and pieces but what is really necessary? I was thinking a Tac Sol barrel, Timney Trigger, a stock of some sort, and what else I have no idea. It looks like they make every part in steel or titanium, oversized, and...it goes on.
Kidd is what I would suggest.
http://www.coolguyguns.com/
Start with a drop in trigger or go whole hog and get the two stage. After that, you can choose which way to go, but the Kidd triggers will make your 10/22 a whole different rifle.
Kidd triggers are certainly some of the better ones. But, and I admit I am biased, I use Volquartsen. Never seen any sponsorship of matches from Kidd, but tons of it from Volquartsen. Tac-Sol makes decent barrels and also supports the sport. Beyer barrels are a tad better IMHO, and another sport supporter.
When it comes to stocks, you really need to figure out what you are doing for sights first. The variation between bore and sight line can be accommodated with stocks.
Hornet makes really good (and relatively affordable) drop in triggers. I've got one on my 10/22 and its fantastic.
http://www.hornetproducts.com/
The wife and I have Volquartsen triggers and the modified bolt release (allows you to slingshot instead of having to use two fingers) on our 10/22. You said precision-ish trainer, so I would focus on getting the rifle as close to the center fire you are training for as possible. Same or very similar stock, same glass or at least same reticle/power/eye relief.
the problem with sub caliber trainers is that you will end up being disappointed with the accuracy. If you spend the cash on a new barrel make sure you invest in quality hi velocity ammo, most like CCI stuff.
i get 4 MOA from my 10/22 out to about 100m with tech sights (peep rear sight that attaches to Reciever for longer sight radius) and bulk pack ammo, shooting in field positions. Neither of us shoot much with optics, and only own one rifle with a magnified optic, so this works for us.
what rifle are you trying to use it as a stand in for?
Matt,
Assuming you want to shoot this thing at the .22 side matches, you're going to need to be able to shoot subsonic target ammo. Eley, Wolf, whatever. The targets are in some cases 1 moa or less. I know nothing about 10-22's, but you'll need to make whatever mods are required to run on subsonics.
Boyd's makes a Tacticool stock for the 10-22. The cheekpiece wasn't high enough for me so I made mine adjustable. Pretty easy project.
T
-first time I've ever heard someone advocating supersonic .22 ammo when accuracy is desired.Quote:
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Nevermind, I should have read the whole post before replying.Quote:
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There are some very accurate high velocity rounds out there, CCI Velocitor is pretty accurate. The reason people usually say the low velocity stuff is better has to do with bullet uniformity being poor.
the real question is what does Matt intend to do with the rifle. A 4 MOA rifle from field positions with open sights is great for me, or does he want a slow fire tack driver with 4 grand in glass on top of it being shot off of sandbags?
No, it's primarily because subsonics don't cross the transonic region in speed. They start subsonic and stay that way. Your average high velocity round starts supersonic and goes transonic somewhere between 50 and 100 yards. The transonic region causes many bullets to become unstable and do unpredictable things. That's why some high velocity ammo will group well at 50 yards and go to hell at 100.Quote:
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To be sure, high quality ammo is also...higher quality. More consistent bullets, powder, and primers. It'd better be at $5-$20 a box of 50.
Matt's stated purpose is a precision-ish trainer. He's referring to a training rifle for the long range precision shooting sports. In order to get much useful practice from it, it will need to be shooting around 1 MOA. This is not at all difficult or expensive. My trainer ran me $700 complete, including aftermarket stock, scope, rail, rings, bipod, etc. It shoots sub MOA with $5 a box Eley Target ammo.
I was leaving open the possibility that he as training for high power / service rifle, I guess this may have been they source of my confusion.
um, no.Quote:
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This is what I did:
Ruger 10/22 Intermediate Trigger Job (Tier 2) with Rimfire Tech Trigger from: http://www.brimstonegunsmithing.com/...r-work-teir-2/
I LOVE IT!
Trigger is great with a clean 2.25 lb brake.
http://brimstonegunsmithing.com/ruger-1022-1/
+1 on the Hornet triggers. I haven't tried a Kidd though. I do hear that they are the best of the drop in sets. I went with a Tac-Sol barrel and a Hogue overmolded stock and really like how it shoots with a Nikon 4X. There are a lot of good barrels out there now. Especially check for the type of sights you want to use. As a more dedicated source of info, look at rimfirecentral.com. Either way, 10-22s are fun!
"Necessary" is a bit hard to define as it tends to vary from one person to the next. I have more "fun" shooting an entry-level 10/22 than I do a full Kidd build even though the Kidd will run circles around the basic Ruger 10/22 in terms of accuracy. I own both and the Kidd spends more time in the safe than the cheap 10/22-Carbine I bought used for $150.Quote:
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I agree, the 10/22 with a Kidd drop in trigger is very accurate, but my go to fun anywhere is a Marlin 795 or 60. The Kidd 10/22 will shoot circles around the Marlins, but a stock 795 or 60 are more than accurate enough for a field gun. If only Wal-Mart would get the Federal 550 value packs at $21 back in stock!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
I'm content with a Tac-Sol .920 threaded bbl, BC syn stock, poor mans trigger job and quick release bolt catch as posted on RFC. Have a red dot for not, looking at a 4-10 scope for glass. Unfortunately the 10/22 collects more dust than range time, since my TOZ78 russki bolt is a very accurate 22, out of box.
I would stay away from the tac-sol barrels I didn't get as much accuracy I wanted out of mine although they are a very lightweight bbl if you're just going for the look. I'll second the brimstone trigger job, I have a tier 1 in my bench 10/22 and it's the best trigger in any of my rifles. If you're wanna go cheap go to rimfirecentral.com and talk to Que and check out the superstock section. Que refaces the bolt and barrel as well as any other modification you can get out of a stock 10/22 barrel and bolt for a reasonable price. I think it was just over $100 for 2 bolts and 2 barrels last time I had him do some work but I didn't have him do to much. I have one rifle with the Kidd "trigger job kit" and it's a nice trigger but it's almost a bench trigger with how lite it is 2-2.25 lbs. I did the volquertsen sear in a buddy's son 10/22 and it did clean the trigger up, pretty much made it the way the rifle should have been from the factory, you probably could get the same effect it did with just some light stoning of a stock sear. The big thing I recommend is getting a new cocking assembly or polish the stock one you'll be surprised at how much better theses little rifles function with that mod.Quote:
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