Ahhh, the 2013 Blue Book is here

Lets see, short one for statewide this year.

Amendment 66, Hell No.

That is a tremendous increase and a bit too much for me to buy a "for the children" line. Doubly so since the SVVSD just got their mil levy last year.

Proposition AA, leaning No.

This again is a huge tax with schools getting the short end of the stick. This was sold to voters as "tax it for the schools" but 15% of the wholesale cost goes to schools and 15% of the retail cost to the general fund. I hope people notice the difference between wholesale & retail prices. The retail % is marked 10% but will increase to 15% since it is allowed to without another vote. The total tax effect on retail would be >30% depending on wholesale vs retail. Don't forget local sales tax on top of that.
This is one of those deals where it doesn't affect me but just smells fishy.
Edit: Even better, only 40mil max goes to schools. Don't think so, this isn't what the voters asked forr when pot was legalized. Try again next session.

I'm with you on Amendment 66 ... no effin' way ... but I'm leaning yes on AA because we were sold a bill of goods that legal MJ was going to be our economic savior so I say hit the potheads with as much taxes as the hippies will bear. But to be honest I really don't care one way or the other about AA ... but 66 is bullshit.

64 was titled "Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol", so unless you wanna pay $42 for a six pack of beer, punitive taxes on MJ are a bad precedent. I really don't care, as I drink about 6 beers a year, but I'm skeptical that this is good governance. As for 66, NON, BFN!

Anything that raises taxes = no from me.

It's a shell game...witness what was done with lottery proceeds. 50% go to the schools, so if you have $100 from lottery sales $50 of that goes to the schools...and $50 from the general fund that was going to the schools goes back to the general fund...

I don't see AA being any different.

Amendment 66? Or Order 66?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09n0qd_n4c0

Got my blue book yesterday. Hell no on both. I'm all for taxing MJ like alcohol but state govt needs to learn to live on what it is getting NOW instead of continually trying to find ways around TABOR so they can keep spending money on stupid junk.

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski

Anything that raises taxes = no from me.

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This.

Has anyone found links to organizations opposing Amendment 66? I'd like to put a sign in my yard to piss off my libtard neighbors.


EDIT: These are the two organizations that I believe are the biggest opposition to Amd66 ... but I don't see anything about yard signs on their sites.


http://www.coforrealedreform.com
http://www.kidsnotpawns.org


I've emailed both and will post whatever response I get here.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Has anyone found links to organizations opposing Amendment 66? I'd like to put a sign in my yard to piss off my libtard neighbors.

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Same here, will paint one myself if I have to. (that's what I'm expecting to have to do)

I've still got my Recall Morse sign so I guess I could spraypaint it white and then stencil over it (which might be fitting).

Read my lips (keyboard), "no new taxes"! They want more $$$$, they can all give themselves a paycut and spend the difference, or they can do the Smith-Barney thing, and "earn it".

F em, they don't need anymore money.

No on both.

The state has proven itself irresponsible with the funds they get now, why would anyone want to get these artists of malfeasance more money.

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski

Anything that raises taxes = no from me.

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That's how I've always voted: taxes up? = vote no.

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Originally Posted by hatidua

That's how I've always voted: taxes up? = vote no.

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The pot tax thing I could vote for if they had done what voters asked for. There was already a majority of the state that said "legalize and tax it to fund schools." Given it doesn't affect me and the people it would affect already said go ahead, I could support that. Problem is, that isn't what the bill does. It instead sends a token amount to schools and a big increase to the general fund for lawmakers to play with.

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Originally Posted by merl

The pot tax thing I could vote for if they had done what voters asked for. There was already a majority of the state that said "legalize and tax it to fund schools." Given it doesn't affect me and the people it would affect already said go ahead, I could support that. Problem is, that isn't what the bill does. It instead sends a token amount to schools and a big increase to the general fund for lawmakers to play with.

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I agree, if they used the pot tax to lower the rest of our taxes (what a novel concept) i would be for it. Also who in their right mind would tax pot that much when there is already a big under ground market for it? It will just stay under ground and that market will get bigger.

Big F'ing NO on both of them.

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Originally Posted by blacklabel

This.

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That gets my vote too.

66 has nothing to do with kids or schools, if you look into it its really to shore up PERA (public employee retirement account). PERA is so far in a hole that even with this huge tax increase its still unsustainable. Also many dont realize it skirts TABOR (tax payers bill of rights) and changes the tax structure to a progressive one as apposed to the flat one we have now without taking that issue to the people separately as they are supposed to. In short ITS A SCAM, VOTE NO!

66 = HELL NO

AA = Why increase the taxes on this to drive the sale of it back into the black market? My vote on this is NO.

Do these guys not understand that they can increase tax income by simply spending less on useless crap? Reducing wasteful spending should be the top priority instead of continuing to run the budget like a rental and wondering why there isn't enough.

We need a new amendment submitted. One which gives the tax paying citizens the right to punch anyone in the face that is in political office and wants more taxes. Maybe if there was a tangible price to continually trying to raise taxes it wouldn't happen every election.

This state could be flush with funds if they supported oil and gas like the Dakotas. So f them for wanting to raise taxes instead of revenues.

Sure, I'll give them more money... once they learn how to manage it better. Don't anyone go holding their breath on that one- you might pass out!

I also got the other new blue book (the '13/'14 CO Peace Officer's Handbook)- it has all the new (retarded) gun laws in it, and the asinine rearrangement of some laws... still nothing on the pot stuff though.

Well, y'see, that's the great thing about living in Boulder: I don't need a handbook to tell me how to vote, I simply look at the political signs in my next door neighbors front lawn and vote exactly opposite of what those signs suggest :)

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Originally Posted by hatidua

Well, y'see, that's the great thing about living in Boulder: I don't need a handbook to tell me how to vote, I simply look at the political signs in my next door neighbors front lawn and vote exactly opposite of what those signs suggest :)

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If only more people in boulder did like you. Maybe they would see you NOT jumping off a cliff and do the opposite.

I say if they want more money do something to increase our wages, every time your income goes up they get more taxes. In the last ten years I don't remember an election that did not have some kind of bigger or new tax "for the children". AA is tempting, any new tax that we could implement in this state to keep bus loads of liberal democrat pot heads from coming here would be fine with me. Also it would be one tax that would never see a dime of my money, but it is a tax and I say hell no on both.

"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." G. K. Chesterson (in 1924)

Went looking for polls and only found one.

Order 66 doesn't look like its doing well.
http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2013...dly-unpopular/

If that were to improve for 66 you can bet the polls done since Sept would have been published and heralded by the press.

Remember the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and expecting different results. We have been increasing the money given to schools over and over and getting worse and worse results from our schools. Why would I give them even more? No on both.

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski

Anything that raises taxes = no from me.

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Originally Posted by Dalendenver

Remember the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and expecting different results. We have been increasing the money given to schools over and over and getting worse and worse results from our schools. Why would I give them even more? No on both.

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The problem is the districts spend the money in the worst places. I know of a few districts that have more a lot administrators now then they did 10 years ago but now have less kids. If they would be less top heavy and focus the money where it needs to be it might be a different story. That said 66 is a piece of shit and would hurt more schools then it would help. What else would you expect from the current crop of retards in office.

They had the Jeff Co conservative school board candidate on Rosin this week. One said they have 1 administrator for every 7 kids. That seems awfully excessive. That means there are 2-3 times the number of administrators as teachers. Cut the admin to less than 1 per 20 teachers and see how much more funding can be had without raising taxes. Drop the multi-culturalism and social promotion and get back to the core basics prior to high school.

Where are the anti66 ads? I see and hear the pro 66 ads all over.

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Where are the anti66 ads? I see and hear the pro 66 ads all over.

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All the money is with the pro 66 side (unions, Demonrats and other big government types that benefit personally from higher taxes) ... hell I tried to get a freakin' yard sign from one of the anti 66 groups and was told I could have one but I'd have to drive to Denver to get it so my guess is there's not going to be any yardsigns outside of the DMA.

Even so I expect it to fail.

I wouldn't bet on it failing. Denver and leftie population centers have a lot more influence. Rural poor districts would benefit greatly with minimal cost to thier voters.