Remington 700 Varmint .308 or Savage 11 .308

Dick's has these two for stupid cheap prices so I'm thinking of picking one up. I am very familiar with Savage's out of box accuracy and own a few of them but I'd like to get a Remington for variety reasons. The world can't all be vanilla.

So, do any of you guy's own either one of these? Thoughts? How do you like the trigger on the Remington? IMHO the accu-trigger is okay, I like a Timney better. Can the Remington shoot "accurately" to 1,000 yards in stock form? I know the rifle stock sucks on the Remington and the Savage is not much better but if I buy one, I'll change out the stock eventually.

Right now, the Remington is about $50 cheaper than the Savage. I'm not trying to turn this into a Remington vs. Savage pissing match as I know both are excellent rifles. I'm just hoping to get some first hand experience from you guys.

I have both, and both are good guns out-of-the-box. It is hard to say if the R700 will be a consistent 1k gun out of the box, probably not.
Most X-mark trigger are not great, but neither are Accu-triggers.
Both will need good stocks and both may need trigger work and a high-end barrel to create a consistant.
A lot of people buy an off the shelf (Dick's/Gander/etc) Remington and throw everything but the action itself in the junk box.
Remington will benefit from "truing and blueprinting" Savages don't usually need this, but can benefit from a little love on the action.
Remington are great for tinkerers because their is tons of parts and upgrades for them.

Unfortunately there is no cheap way to get into LR shooting, if you're really interested you should plan on where you want to end up and don't start cheap.
Don't forget glass, bipods, bags, spotters, LRF, ballistic computers, databooks, shooting mats, match ammo, etc, etc, etc...
If you are really looking to get into long range you may want to build something from scratch, or buy from someone who is upgrading or bored with LR shooting.

I don't want to discourage you at all, long range shooting is fun! But you should be ready for the long haul and big paycheck.
Not to mention if you get hooked, all bets are off! You will quick be considering $2000-$3000 scopes....

Welcome to the "Darkside" [Coffee]

The Savage may shoot better right out of the box, but will be difficult to upgrade as you slide down the slippery slope of precision shooting. It's a no-brainer for me, Remington.

I use stock 700's for my comp rifles. Everything is made for a 700. You will be happier in the long run.

Here's what I have in mind for either of them. These will be incremental upgrades. Also, the club I belong to only has a 600 yard range so I wont be shooting 1k yards all the time. I just want the capability for when I have the opportunity.

McCree's Precision folding stock
Timney trigger. (Savage model is cheaper)
EGW 20 MOA base (Maybe Badger instead)
Bushnell Extreme Tactical Rings (I own them already)
Nikon Buckmaster 6-18SF target turrets (I own already but will upgrade down the road)
Harris Bipod and Caldwell rests (I own them already)
Possible cut down and threading of the barrel.

Am I missing anything? The listed parts above are available for both of the manufacturers. If I were to base the rifle on looks, the Remington would win, hands down.

Bring it down to the PD matches in Pueblo or up at CRC. I'd strongly recommend getting behind some stocks before making that commitment. You'll see lots of stuff at any of the local matches.

You'll want a level of some sort. Lots of options out there. Don't cut down that barrel. 308 needs all the help it can get, no sense slowing it down. Threading for a brake is a good idea. I just tried one from this guy:

http://dynamicresistancellc.com/home.html

It's excellent. He's local and a member on this forum.

Thanks for the tips guy's. I miss the days when Remington wasn't trying to play in Savage's market. It's a win, win for the consumers but it sure makes for a tough choice.

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Originally Posted by husky390

Here's what I have in mind for either of them. These will be incremental upgrades. Also, the club I belong to only has a 600 yard range so I wont be shooting 1k yards all the time. I just want the capability for when I have the opportunity.

McCree's Precision folding stock
Timney trigger. (Savage model is cheaper)
EGW 20 MOA base (Maybe Badger instead)
Bushnell Extreme Tactical Rings (I own them already)
Nikon Buckmaster 6-18SF target turrets (I own already but will upgrade down the road)
Harris Bipod and Caldwell rests (I own them already)
Possible cut down and threading of the barrel.

Am I missing anything? The listed parts above are available for both of the manufacturers. If I were to base the rifle on looks, the Remington would win, hands down.

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That list won't last a year [Coffee]

All jokes aside.. I hope you reload. It will pay for itself and will be a lot more enjoyable knowing it's your roll that's tacking shit out there.

1K yards... IDPA sized targets will be easy... it's hitting those damn 7"x 3" steel prairie dog's at 400 to 600 yards that will make you scratch you head a lot [ROFL1]

Good luck and enjoy your new addiction. Looking forward to seeing the end product in a few [Beer]

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Originally Posted by islandermyk

That list won't last a year [Coffee]

All jokes aside.. I hope you reload. It will pay for itself and will be a lot more enjoyable knowing it's your roll that's tacking shit out there.

1K yards... IDPA sized targets will be easy... it's hitting those damn 7"x 3" steel prairie dog's at 400 to 600 yards that will make you scratch you head a lot [ROFL1]

Good luck and enjoy your new addiction. Looking forward to seeing the end product in a few [Beer]

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LOL, no kidding. I do reload so I at least have that covered.

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Originally Posted by husky390

Here's what I have in mind for either of them. These will be incremental upgrades. Also, the club I belong to only has a 600 yard range so I wont be shooting 1k yards all the time. I just want the capability for when I have the opportunity.

McCree's Precision folding stock
Timney trigger. (Savage model is cheaper)
EGW 20 MOA base (Maybe Badger instead)
Bushnell Extreme Tactical Rings (I own them already)
Nikon Buckmaster 6-18SF target turrets (I own already but will upgrade down the road)
Harris Bipod and Caldwell rests (I own them already)
Possible cut down and threading of the barrel.

Am I missing anything? The listed parts above are available for both of the manufacturers. If I were to base the rifle on looks, the Remington would win, hands down.

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With that list I'd lean toward the Remington. There's just more options out there for everything and if you decide on a different stock / chassis later on its easier to sell the first one ect. That and there's more smiths out there that already swim in the Remington pool.

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

I have both, and both are good guns out-of-the-box. It is hard to say if the R700 will be a consistent 1k gun out of the box, probably not.
Most X-mark trigger are not great, but neither are Accu-triggers.
Both will need good stocks and both may need trigger work and a high-end barrel to create a consistant.
A lot of people buy an off the shelf (Dick's/Gander/etc) Remington and throw everything but the action itself in the junk box.
Remington will benefit from "truing and blueprinting" Savages don't usually need this, but can benefit from a little love on the action.
Remington are great for tinkerers because their is tons of parts and upgrades for them.

Unfortunately there is no cheap way to get into LR shooting, if you're really interested you should plan on where you want to end up and don't start cheap.
Don't forget glass, bipods, bags, spotters, LRF, ballistic computers, databooks, shooting mats, match ammo, etc, etc, etc...
If you are really looking to get into long range you may want to build something from scratch, or buy from someone who is upgrading or bored with LR shooting.

I don't want to discourage you at all, long range shooting is fun! But you should be ready for the long haul and big paycheck.
Not to mention if you get hooked, all bets are off! You will quick be considering $2000-$3000 scopes....

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Good words on the subject here^^^^
Face the reality, if you are new to the distance game both will serve you well.
Out of the box either will out shoot 98% of the shooters out there.
Remington has the advantage of being the "Small block Chevy" of the bolt guns, more aftermarket goodies available and you can go from mild to wild.
Barrel changes require a 'Smith.
Savage has the advantage of a floating bolt head, which will cover a few sins from the factory. You can also change the bolt handle easily.
Barrel swaps are simple for the average shooter, making caliber changes easy.

If you go Remmy, check the receiver for true scope mount holes, they will wander from time to time.

A good aftermarket stock and bedding, a good trigger, good crown, lap the lugs and decent glass will serve you very well on either platform.
Learn to shoot it and then only make upgrades that you will benefit from. I have watched more than a few folks spend a chunk of money only to feel it was money poorly spent, they never learned to shoot the rifle correctly and did not appreciate the finer things.

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

If you go Remmy, check the receiver for true scope mount holes, they will wander from time to time.

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Thanks for the tip. Stupid question, but can you tell that just by eye balling it?

Usually yes, sight down the rifle from the buttstock (the farther you can back off the better) any misalignment is apparent.