FTF Sales

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03-20-2009, 07:57
Irish

FTF Sales

There is a post in the firearms for sale thread about how to go about a FTF transaction. (Do you need a bill of sale, what are the requirements etc...)
Below that is a guy listing a wanted to buy post in the same thread as the post mentioned above. I am posting this here because I feel it is more of a General Discussion thread than a for sale thread.
I stated in the FTF transaction post that you should meet with the person and get a feel for who they are when doing a FTF. Do they have a reputation on the board, do they post things like "kill everyone" or "I hate" messages. Use those things as well as what sense you get about the person when meeting them to determine if you should sell or not.

A perfect example is the other post that I mentioned above...
A new guy posts a wanted ad in the for sale thread. Someone politely tells them that they have posted in the wrong place. The new guy gets rude and does not listen. Here is my point... If you cannot follow simple rules on a forum board and want to get belligerent when someone is trying to help you... THERE IS NO WAY YOU WILL EVER GET ONE OF MY GUNS!!!
That's how I roll...[Luck]
03-20-2009, 08:23
GunTroll

I agree with Both sides of the argument to an extent. If (he) wants papers,pictures,blood type,semen,etc then he should be able to ask. However I would walk away unless he was selling the deal of a lifetime and I'd be an idiot for not jumping through his hoops. Otherwise I'd walk every time paperwork was asked to fill out. My reasoning is if I wanted paperwork I'd go to a dealer who is in the business of "paperwork" and has a fixed location and hopefully a good reputation. If someone asked me for the info that was asked in the mentioned post I'd ask him for his. See what that does. Turn the paperwork on him.

On that note why do alot of people here (on this site) ask for a CO ID? I just always wondered if you can't sell to someone who does not have a CO ID within CO.
03-20-2009, 08:26
GhostRider

although I think people can sell to anyone the choose to. I would have to agree with you on one point, If I get a weird feeling about someone they wont get anything I have for sale either. But as far as just being rude, he is new and maybe just a little more slack is needed. maybe just a bad day and he is still a great guy. Idk just a thought, to get more info before we judge off of one post. But yes he could have taken the advice a lot better as you said...
03-20-2009, 08:28
GhostRider

Hey troll I don''t know about you buddy but aint nun of these guys getting a semen sample [ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1]
03-20-2009, 08:30
GunTroll

HA HA HA[ROFL1] I thought that would get a response!
03-20-2009, 16:07
TheAvatar9265ft

Common sense is always of great value.
03-20-2009, 17:05
BadShot

I'll expand on these thoughts later maybe.. but you can choose who to sell to or buy from. The law, pesky as that gets, says that you only have to ensure (reasonably = define that for your self, you're gown ups aren't you?) that you are selling to someone that can legally possess that weapon.

None of this bill of sale, copies of drivers licenses and the other presumptuous crap that some of you come up with as pre-requisites of your sales gives you a damn bit of "protection", uh the ignorance amazes even the dull witted masses, where are you guys from Kalifornia? I'm sure the less enlightened and educated will go about their semi-informed lives and buy your stuff. Learn the fooking law boys, stop presuming that a bill of sale is your get out of jail free card. Sweet mother of gawd, ask your momma's for your testies back, educate yourselves, make adult decisions and decern who you are or are not willing to sell to based on your own ability to assess who you feel comfortable with conducting business with.

God bless the errornet and those who seek it's wisdom... I for one will not buy your over priced firearm and submit to your weak minded comfort papers. If you cannot educate yourself and decide without the need for an imaginary baby blanket, aka bill of sale and buyers personal info.. then I have no desire in any way shape or form to give you anything other than my scorn.
03-20-2009, 17:21
Irving

What ever BadShot. If I was still in the dating scene, I'd be getting a copy of a birth certificate and driver's license before receiving ANY ******* from girls, lest I find out later that they only SAID they were 19, and were actually 15. Let's face it, those **** led me to reasonably believe that she could legally possess **************. ;)
03-20-2009, 18:16
BadShot

[Beer]Yeah Sturle, you're just a perv, we knew that already
03-20-2009, 20:26
mightymouse

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadShot

God bless the errornet and those who seek it's wisdom... I for one will not buy your over priced firearm and submit to your weak minded comfort papers. If you cannot educate yourself and decide without the need for an imaginary baby blanket, aka bill of sale and buyers personal info.. then I have no desire in any way shape or form to give you anything other than my scorn.

I find your thoughts intriguing. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
03-21-2009, 00:08
theGinsue

I fully agree with BadShot's comments as to sales. While everyone has the right to set the terms of sale for their items, I'll just walk away from it if they want more than simply to see my CO DL. I won't bother posting that the seller is being ridiculous with their requirements, it's their stuff and my right to walk away.

Oh yeah, and BadShot is right about Sturtle being a perv too - I know this because, as a perv myself, I can sense these things.

Something that I see happening more and more is that folks
(1) don't include their location (required in the Forum rules for WTS/WTT items but would be nice to have the rest of the time).
(2) fail to follow the established placement for where they start threads. Wanted [WTB] items in a Firearms For Sale section? Really? Is it really that hard to put things in the right place?
03-21-2009, 08:03
BadShot

Quote:

Originally Posted by KellyTTE

I find your thoughts intriguing. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Subscribe hell, you're gonna help write it you cynical bastard [ROFL1]

I think my supply of rum and coke needs to start coming with a grammar lesson! Holy run on sentences batman!
03-21-2009, 15:12
Eow

Awesome rant BadShot! I agree completely.
03-21-2009, 18:37
Irving

I don't think anyone is arguing checking ID. I wouldn't mind at all letting someone see my driver's license. It's all this nonsense bullshit about making photo copies and a bill of sale.
03-21-2009, 18:58
68Charger

Quote:

Originally Posted by GunTroll

On that note why do alot of people here (on this site) ask for a CO ID? I just always wondered if you can't sell to someone who does not have a CO ID within CO.

If you're selling to a resident of another state, then the BATFE has jurisdiction over that transaction- since their authority is based on interstate commerce... and taxes... as long as it's between Colorado Residents, and no Colorado law is being broken, and there's no reason to suspect he/she is not allowed by law to own a firearm, or intends to break the law with it..

checking for ID makes sense, to establish age & residency.. and I also believe if someone wants to ASK you to jump up and down on one foot while juggling oranges and singing the Mikey Mouse song, he can... it's his property, and he can require any terms he can dream up.. he has no obligation to sell it.

you also have the right to tell him to pound sand and look elsewhere.. you don't have any obligation to buy it, either..
03-21-2009, 19:04
Jumpstart

I'm all for cya, but my theory (revisited) is that if you start talking paperwork in private sales it becomes a mindset, making it easier for the guv (via this new mindset)to start making paperwork on private sales mandatory. I don't like that one bit as a law abiding citizen. I will cultivate the paradigm that purchasing arms is like purchasing tools or sporting goods. I have the money, you have the product, let's deal. Skip the paperwork. I don't want to give strangers my vital info. If you want it in a sale, please say so. I will avoid your sale item. Unfortunate for me and for you, but that's how I roll.
03-21-2009, 23:38
Irish

It is interesting hearing the opinions carried by different members.
Ghostrider, I agree that maybe the new guy was having a bad day etc...
I should have been more specific and stated that the situation was an example of who I would not sell to. (not him personally). More to the point, someone that chooses not to follow simple rules because they don't feel like it. IMHO, if someone let's their feelings decide how they act, I would be very concerned about providing them with a tool that can harm themselves or others easily. Whether it be a black rifle, or a chain saw, etc... I get down right pissed off sometimes, if I let my feelings guide my actions, I would have lost my license, my friends and my freedom a long time ago.

Oh, BTW... for the record, I did not start this post, I was merely trying to move it out of the Firearms For Sale thread. I was hoping it would continue for awhile... [Coffee]
03-22-2009, 00:51
theGinsue

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish

Oh, BTW... for the record, I did not start this post, I was merely trying to move it out of the Firearms For Sale thread. I was hoping it would continue for awhile... [Coffee]

+1 for that.
03-24-2009, 00:19
sniper_tim

Quote:

checking for ID makes sense, to establish age & residency..

Troll, it is a felony (federal law) to sell a handgun to an out of state resident, perhaps badshot will let me know if i'm not interpreting the laws incorrectly :) Also, my kids friends don't look a day over 13, and they are all 18+, does that mean i'm getting old [drifts off]
03-24-2009, 02:49
Circuits

18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(5) Willful transfer, sale, or transport of weapon by unlicensed person to
another unlicensed, out-of-state person

Maximum penalty 5 years (§ 924(a)(1)(D))
03-24-2009, 10:21
BadShot

Quote:

Originally Posted by sniper_tim

Troll, it is a felony (federal law) to sell a handgun to an out of state resident, perhaps badshot will let me know if i'm not interpreting the laws incorrectly :) Also, my kids friends don't look a day over 13, and they are all 18+, does that mean i'm getting old [drifts off]

Ouch you almost hurt my last remaining feeling there Tim..

as noted above this post.. you do have a requirement to at least establish residency, but none of the other schmeg we see from some sellers is required or actually helpful in the instance of "perceived relief of liability" .. but what ever a seller thinks they need to make themselves feel better if they can find a buyer willing to do so.. silly or not.
03-24-2009, 22:41
sniper_tim

wasn't trying to hurt your feelings, was agreeing with you 100%, know the laws! Don't really feel the need to read further when sellers are asking for "schmeg", simply move on to another post. Don't really feel the need to point it out either. Anyway, i've contacted some sellers with ancient WTS posts who want all the BS. Conversation typically goes like this:

me: "still got this item?"
seller: "yes"
me: "Still want all the BS?"
seller: "yes"
me: "then keep it, and sit on it another 6 months"
----OR----
me: "still got this item?"
seller: "yes"
me: "Still want all the BS?"
seller: "no"
me: "sweet, then sell if to me for $50 less since you been sitt'n on it for 6 months"
seller: "OK"

Good deal for all!
Cheers!
03-25-2009, 07:43
BadShot

That's why I said almost brother.. almost [Beer]