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On the news they stated that Mexican officials say that the "hi powered" rifles are bought at Gun Shows in the us that the drug cartels are using....
And that Obama's advisors are going to stop the flow of them...
Give me a fuk'n break, just another way to excite the anti's and get the general public's panties in a bunch.
And just what "hi powered" Mo Fo rifles are they talking about???
are they carrying 06's, 338's, 300wmags 7mm ?????
geezzz.....[Bang]
Mexico's problem with violence shouldn't affect our rights. Maybe they should beef up there border patrol to stop the "illegal" guns from going south just like we should beef our BP up to stop there drugs from coming north. Problem solved and I still can buy/own guns.
maybe we should sit on the border with our "hi powered" rifles and send them some lead.
Lets do it. After turkey season though. Could be a new season to add to the calender.
They should ban the internet here as well, to help China keep control of their restrictive internet laws.
Someone on another board suggested that.
The cartels must be shopping at different gun shows than the ones I've been to. I haven't seen helicopters, RPG's, grenades, or submarines- yes, there are reports that they have subs- for sale at any of the shows here in Colorado. Maybe they're getting them at new Mexico or Arizona shows. Has anyone seen any deals on helicopters? Slicks or guns...
It's not the gun shows, it's all you guys not checking ID's when selling those guns FTF.
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Originally Posted by jason303
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we don't need no steekin id's...
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Originally Posted by Sixgun
I have the perfect spot too snipe from to!! My first station house in NM was in Sunland Park, just outside El Paso Tx, about 1/3 mile from the border. Complete w/ fire watch tower 3 stories up, great view!! Actually used to spot illegals coming across for the Border Patrol crews on duty @ night when we werent doing anything. Who knew being a paramedic could be so much fun!!!
I was actually at a surplus shop in CA back in the late 80's or early 90's, and they had fricken MIG's for $25K. Holy sh!t, i wish i would have bought one. Of course Russia was basically dumping any and everything back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by motorep
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Let me get this straight--Most of the drugs come into our country from Mexico and they come from where ever they are produced so they have to get into Mexico some way and I doubt if it is our border -- now they have the balls to tell us that our border is the problem we need to control what goes into their country and if it wasn't for us and our terrible gun laws their criminals wouldn't be breaking the law.
Give me break!!
The liberals are only just now complaining about the border problems because they realized they can blame something else (falsely) on guns.
Just another example of them using societal problems as a veil while they snatch our rights from under our noses.
Carbon_Unit
Yup.
I noticed Obama couldn't pass up the chance to spread this garbage last night to the masses.
I saw on Lou Dobbs last week a report where he claimed that the Mexican govt refused to give up the serial numbers on firearms seized from these outlaws. He went on to further state or suggest that the arms might be military issue from the Mexican army. I don't know exactly what is substantiated or not; I wasn't paying close enough attention to accurately repeat what he said. I'm going to find out for myself. Given the glowing level of cooperation we've always gotten from Mexico, I can't imagine what Lou said is true. I keep hearing "95% of the guns seized came from the U.S." so someone is BSing us. Now I know how smokers must have felt when a legal product they used became so scapegoated it might as well been illegal. I wonder what the new antinarcoterrorism tax rate on ammo will be.
EDIT: Ahh, silly me, I saw the Dobbs clip over at RMGO. You probably already saw it. Check it out if you haven't. It might be the only close-to-mainstream source presenting thie point of view.
Drug cartels that specialize in smuggling illegal products across international borders are shopping in the U.S. for "automatic weapons, grenades and ammunition"?
I suppose that's an easier explanation than to assume that they are acquiring their weapons and munitions through other illegal entities in countries with more porous borders.
Taken from http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4835694.shtml
"Mexican cartels often pay U.S. citizens to purchase assault rifles or other guns at gun shops, then sell them to a cartel representative at a U.S. gun show, where registration rules are much less stringent and the gun sale can't be easily traced."
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Speak no truth, hear no truth, see no truth.
Hillary is beaming a huge smile in Mexico as I type.
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The "current administration" has removed the border guards from the OUTBOUND side of our border crossings. There is video out there showing the Mexicans literally pouring through (inbound) the border on the Outbound side. Yet another great policy from the Obama administration.
How can you possibly maintain national security when you throw the door wide open to anyone who cares to come in? I honestly believe that "Homeland Defense" is nothing more than a Federal organization to protect the government from it's citizenry, not "outside" threats.
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got that right. let the revolution begin.
So post up the videos.
"President Felipe Calderon and his top prosecutor told The Associated Press on Thursday that Mexican police and soldiers are dangerously outgunned because U.S. authorities are failing to stop the smuggling of high-powered weapons into Mexico." from link
And they fail to stop the drugs from coming north. Let them show signs of improved border control and then we could talk. Won't happen though. Mexican Gov. probably gets a cut of the trade/smuggle profit. Once again as some else said our law abiding citizens who are so heavily armed should go lend them (Mexican LE) a hand. But from our side of the fence. Wouldn't want to get the shits or anything. This whole thing is BS. Stupid in fact. I don't care what happens down there. Never have,never will. What about Canada? Do they bitch about our gun laws or are they to stoned on BC weed to care?! I've never hears to much talk about our northern brothers complaning about our gun laws. Maybe I'm living in a bubble though.
How is it our problem that the Mexican military and police departments are corrupt and giving the guns to the cartels?
It isn't. Our problem is some people, some of who are near the top of the chain of power, think it would be nice if we would rely completely on the gov't for everything. A big part of that is relying on only the police, not ourselves for our safety. They know better and always do exactly what they say they can so shut up and turn in your guns and be thankful they care about you.
BTW, this border problem is just another example of extortion played upon our country. Our gov't already has committed $80 million in protection money to the Mexico.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-violence.html
Just wait until the U.S. opens the gate to refugees from border towns. Think they'll go back when the fighting ends? Nope. How many times greater will the number of refugees be than the current populations of those border towns?
the cartels run mexico.
the citizens aren't allowed to own firearms and we see the cartels overrunning everything. if they knew everywhere they went they would be up against regular citizens with firearms there would be a whole lot less of a problem.
Any bullshit saying we should give up our rights to protect another country is absolutely fucking asinine. How about we give up all our nukes as well because The Ruskies and Iran happen to get some of our info.
I'm trying to find the one I saw. A guy @ work showed it to me and can't remember where it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sturtle
Wasn't that idea specifically proposed and identified as a planned task during the pre-election comments by BO?Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Who Is Arming the Mexican Drug Cartels?
by Michael Gaddy
by Michael Gaddy
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The state, Mexican authorities and their US propaganda arm, known in most circles as the Mainstream Media, have recently embarked on a huge disinformation campaign to demonize the American gun owner as the supplier of weapons to the Mexican drug cartels. Everyone in the media, with the possible exception of Lou Dobbs, has joined in the campaign of lies.
Shown here, on a CBS special, is video proof of the lies and disinformation by CBS, US and Mexican authorities. Anderson Cooper and Janet Napolitano are either ignorant or complicit in the myth that M-203s, RPGs and hand grenades are readily available to the American gun consumer. Most intelligent folks, and those without a state sponsored agenda, realize these weapons are usually only available to the military.
This week, Secretary of Homeland Defense, Janet Napolitano, announced a new plan to curb the alleged flow of weapons from the US into Mexico. This program, which will cost the overwhelmed US Taxpayer another 700 million dollars plus, includes machines that employ what is referred to as "virtual strip search." This plan will supposedly slow down the number of guns traveling south from the US to the drug cartels in Mexico. If this program has the same success rate as the government’s efforts at stopping the flow of contraband north into the US, the Mexican drug cartels will have nuclear weapons by the end of April!
While not stated as such, I am sure this will eventually morph into "the war on guns." Funny, is it not, every time our government "declares war" on something, it always increases exponentially! Whether it is poverty, drugs, terrorism or guns, when the state declares war, rapid growth and expansion of that which is the object of that war is inevitable.
Napolitano stated, "70% of the weapons in the hands of the drug cartels are coming from the US." The implication is obvious she is referring to private gun owners. The MSM sucks up this propaganda like a large-mouth bass takes a worm, and regurgitates it to Boobus without ever questioning the truthfulness behind the claim. Neither Mexican, nor US officials, has ever produced an ounce of proof to back up these wild accusations.
Wednesday, on MSNBC, in an interview by Andrea Mitchell, New York Congressional Representative, Nita Lowey stated 97% of the guns in the hands of the Mexican drug cartels originated in the US. Representative Lowey, in her support for a new Assault Weapons Ban, alleges these firearms are coming from the American gun owner. She is correct in her assertion many of the firearms being used by the cartels are coming from Americans. They are, but, from the American taxpayer, not the American gun owner!
The fact is: the Mexican authorities have refused to release the serial numbers of weapons confiscated from drug cartel members. Releasing the serial numbers would implicate the corrupt governments of the US and Mexico and their involvement in arming the drug cartels.
Considering the above, it is my belief the Mexican drug cartels are procuring a large percentage of weapons from the world’s largest supplier of these weapons: the United States government!
The type of weapons confiscated and the unwillingness of those involved to supply weapon serial numbers is a clear indicator.
Because of the "narco-wars," the US government supplies the Mexican military with arms and training. The Mexican military has trained at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, and the arms budget from the US to Mexico is in the billions.
Drug profits realized from the sale of drugs in the US by Mexico’s violent drug cartels are estimated to be as high as 40 billion dollars per year. With that amount of money, is there any question as to the ability of the cartels to purchase military weapons provided by the United States government from corrupt Mexican government officials and members of their military?
In the mid 1990s, U.S. government statistics revealed at least six billion dollars a year was spent by the cartels in bribes and payoffs to officials in the Mexican government and military.
In February of 1997, the Clinton Administration announced it was certifying the Mexican government as a "full ally" in the war on drugs. Clinton’s Drug Czar, Army General Barry McCaffrey, described Mexican General Jesus Gutierrez Rebollo, who headed up the Mexican National Institute to Combat Drugs (INCD) as a "man of absolute unquestioned character."(Emphasis added) Shortly after McCaffrey’s statement, Rebollo was arrested for taking bribes from one of the largest drug cartels in Mexico. Rebollo had been present at secret meetings involving the White House, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Drug Enforcement Agency.
When speaking of drug cartels and military weapons, one would be remiss in not covering the involvement of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and their decades-long involvement in worldwide drug trafficking. The evidence produced at the Iran Contra hearings proved the CIA was involved with smuggling cocaine in order to fund the Nicaraguan Contra Army. Is there any question they are involved with the Mexican drug cartels and perhaps facilitating their procurement of military weapons, or better yet, trading arms for drugs?
In 2007, then President George W. Bush, with help from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, was able to get legislation passed that would provide Mexico with at least 1.4 billion dollars for Mexican military and police forces.
In May of 2008, Kristen Bricker wrote of Plan Mexico, "Plan Mexico will provide resources, equipment, and training to the Mexican government, police, and military. It will not give Mexico liquid funds. The US military, government agencies such as USAID, and US defense contractors such as mercenary firms and weapons manufacturers will receive funding to carry out Plan Mexico. Plan Mexico is yet another bill to line the pockets of the military industrial complex."
Our government is certainly aware of the rampant corruption within the Mexican government and military, yet we continue to provide them with money, military weapons and training, including all of the military weapons mentioned earlier in this article and shown in film clips by the mainstream media as proof positive we need a new Assault Weapons Ban. (AWB)
Our corrupt government, cooperating with Mexico’s equally corrupt government, has embarked on a campaign to deprive American citizens of the means to defend ourselves from tyranny, screening their own involvement in arming violent criminal drug cartels. We can weakly submit, or stand for truth and liberty; the choice is ours.
March 27, 2009Michael Gaddy [send him mail], an Army veteran of Vietnam, Grenada, and Beirut, lives in the Four Corners area of the American Southwest.
Good find. Sounds logical to me.