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The wording in the 2013 Big Game brochure is this: "If semiautomatic, a maximum of six rounds are allowed in the magazine
and chamber combined."
Does this mean the magazine must take a maximum of 5 rounds? Can it take 6? Does it matter as long as only 6 rounds are in the magazine and chamber, even if the magazine has higher capacity?
It's not very clear, and I'd rather not put a block in my 10 round magazines if I don't have to.
The magazine cannot be able to hold more than 5 rounds.
Do you know where this comes from?Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
That is how it was explained at my hunter safety class years back. Example given was a pencil in a shotgun tube to limit # of rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
That's misunderstanding the question, because it clearly states in the Small Game brochure:Quote:
Originally Posted by merl
"Shotguns cannot be larger than 10 gauge. Shotguns cannot be capable of holding more than 3 shells in magazine and chamber combined."
My question involves rifle magazines for big game.
Surprised they do not use the same wording for the two, I expected that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
I suggest a call to the DOW will give you an answer. AND a person you can refer to If an issue happens in the field.
From CDOW Reg Brochure
LEGAL HUNTING METHODS
1. CENTER FIRE RIFLES
a. Must be min. .24 caliber (6 mm).
b. Must have min. a 16-inch barrel and be at least 26 inches long.
c. If semiautomatic, they can hold max. of 6 rounds in the magazine and
chamber combined.
I can see where there might be some room for debate with the exact text in the brochure but I am pretty positive that intnet is to not have a magazine capable of holding more than 5 rounds, same as the shotgun limitation.
This is the best idea, I was just wondering if anyone had an experience with it. If it's something that differs from warden to warden, I'd rather not be hassled.Quote:
Originally Posted by jim
Found it.
http://wildlife.state.co.us/RulesReg...gulations.aspx
http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteColl...tions/Ch02.pdf
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#203-MANNER OF TAKE
A. The following are legal methods of take for all species and seasons listed in this chapter, except as otherwise noted. Any method of take not listed herein shall be prohibited, except as otherwise provided by statute or these regulations:
1. Rifles using center fire cartridges of .24 caliber or larger, having expanding bullets of at least seventy (70) grains in weight, except for elk and moose where the minimum bullet weight is eighty-five (85) grains, and with a rated impact energy one hundred (100) yards from the muzzle of at least one thousand (1000) foot pounds as determined by the manufacturer's rating providing that any semiautomatic rifle used shall not hold more than six (6) rounds in the magazine and chamber combined. A fully automatic rifle is prohibited.
Page 12 of Colorado Big Game Brochure from Colorado Parks and Wildlife states that there can be a total of 6 rounds in the chamber and mag combined. I would venture that since if you get caught breaking laws while hunting you can lose your hunting license for life (same for if you get caught poaching). Therefore I would say even if the law doesn't specifically state it, just block off a mag with a temporary block. Or buy a 5 round mag. I just don't think it's worth the risk of losing the ability to hunt. I have heard that these limits don't apply to varmint such as coyotes.
http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteColl...me/biggame.pdf
Bottom line: if you are using a semi-auto rifle for big game, magazine capacity of five rounds.
Not sure where the confusion comes from.
^The OP ^Quote:
Originally Posted by spqrzilla
If you self modify a magazine with a block, ensure you do not posses the tool needed to remove the block in the field.
Best bet is pop rivet that is easily removed with a power tool if necessary after hunting.
Not 100% sure more than a temp block is needed in CO, but play it safe or talk to DOW to be sure.
See above thread. Thanks for your input.Quote:
Originally Posted by spqrzilla
The text in the brochure is not very clear, that is where the confusion comes from. The text of the actual rule that I posted is very clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by spqrzilla
I had asked a DOW officer and he said as long as there are no more than 6 rounds total you are fine. In my case I said I have a 10 round magazine, and he said it is legal to use as long as i only had 5 rounds in it and one in the chamber.
But always better to call and double check.
Dont push it. 5 rounds is the mag limit for a semi auto rifle in big game. If the wording seems vague to you, err on the side of the most limiting.
Besides, If you need more than that you shouldn't be out hunting big game animals anyways. Its hunting, not a self defense or home protection scenario.
The restriction is BS but it does appear to be the law. Just because one is hunting one must not be concerned about self defense? (not that I'd feel undefended with a semi 308 & 6 rounds)Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Much like other nanny laws, this punishes everyone because of one or two assholes. WY has no such restrictions and does not seem to have issues with idiots or poachers taking down entire herds.
That's why you carry a hand gun when out in the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by merl
That's not correct. You can't meet the restriction by simply downloading bigger magazines.Quote:
Originally Posted by johngraves2
This. I also believe concealed is permitted in the field when you're carrying a long gun. I didn't pay much attention to the specifics because I open carry when hunting and have a CHP regardless. I don't know whay anyone would conceal carry while hunting. With all the gear you're likely to have on, you're fucked if you need ready access.Quote:
Originally Posted by jim
Also this. You must have a limited capacity or magazine block. Like I said in my earlier post, it's also wise and quite possibly required, to have it affixed so that it's not readily removable in the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by spqrzilla
Yeah this is so wrong it's pitiful. I'm sorry the DOW official mislead you. It's kinda like not having your plug in your shotgun and going by the honor system.Quote:
Originally Posted by johngraves2
Concealed carry is allowed with or without a permit while engaged in the act of hunting....Quote:
Originally Posted by brutal
Not stopping at the gas station on your way up..... While hunting.
The reason they have the law that way is because they don't want someone's coat to cover their sidearm on accident and then get hemmed up on charges. Like you said.... Lots of gear.
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
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Originally Posted by merl
The restriction says nothing about carrying a handgun for self defense. Same with archery hunting. I carry a handgun then as well.
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Originally Posted by brutal
Removable is fine. Shotguns work the same way. a plastic plug or stick works fine. I've been checked multiple times and have had both. He verified it held 2+1 and was on my way.
Shoulda seen this Kansas Dow officer trying to destroy my saiga 12 2 round mag trying to force another round in the mag. I finally told him of he broke my shit he's gonna have to whip out $30 and replace it. He was a dick fo sho.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
You just can't be bothered with "laws" and "rules" can you.....Quote:
Originally Posted by merl
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
Tell me how this rule promotes public safety? Tell me how it does anything productive and I might not consider it BS. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0
Never said I don't honor it, got a mag in the box painted blaze orange with a block in it.
The regulation isn't about safety. The regulation is about a sense of "fair play" in hunting - which while arguable, isn't going to go away.
So, since this thread hit close to home I emailed the Colorado DOW, here is their response:
Robb, thank you for your e mail. This is the answer from CPW Law Enforcement.
A magazine that has some type of internal block that would require dismantling the magazine to remove it would suffice as well. This is no different than a plug in a shotgun which is not a permanent blockage but does require dismantling in the field to remove the plug.
Therefore, a block in a magazine that is between the spring and the follower or between the base plate of the magazine and the spring would be O.K. since it would require removal of the base plate to remove this “blockage”. It cannot be, for example, a 10 round mag. with 5 dummy rounds in it followed by the 5 live rounds.
The regulation just states it can't hold more than 6 rounds, 5 in the mag 1 in the chamber.
I'm thinking you could maybe insert a block and re assemble allowing for 5 rounds only.
After the season take the block out or purchase and use an older one for the blocked mag.
I hope this helps,
Happy Holidays and good hunting,
Jim
Jim is a really helpful guy!
I went ahead and bought some 10 round PMags and the Magpul 5 round restrictors for them, so I have a factory 5-round limiter in a 10 round body. So far so good, it's impossible to put a 6th round in the magazine without disassembly. FYI, this is with 300BLK.