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http://www.armslist.com/posts/245835...unds-of--22lr-
Looks like he was one of the guys wiping out the new Bass Pro.
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Guys like this ...
http://www.armslist.com/posts/245835...unds-of--22lr-
Looks like he was one of the guys wiping out the new Bass Pro.
is that a lot of .22???
Seeing as you can't find it anywhere, yes 14,000 rounds is a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by rockhound
No that's not a lot but he is a POS if he is scalping. I have that much or more but it is all for shooting. I've never paid over $14 per brick and never intend to.
Guess you don't intend to ever buy any ever again. We will never see bricks for $14 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Portsider86
They are readily available.. maybe not as easy as couple years ago.. but they are out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
Bulk..
http://www.lohmanarms.com/product_p/win22lr555hp.htm winchester 555 bulk for $33
http://www.ammosupplywarehouse.com/c...2-RIMFIRE.html 5000 rounds for $600 <-- pretty good deal.
Couple weeks ago, I bought 3 bricks from walmart for $60 if I remember it correctly.
No I do not, I have plenty. $50 a brick is plain asinine.
22 is not cheap anymore but I have found it the last 2 times I have gone to the gun store and buy it just because I can't reload it speaking of which I bought some federal 22 in their new cans... Kind of neat nitrogen sealed, weather and waterproof.... Just sucks everything is 300 some rounds and like I stated more expensive!
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Originally Posted by TAR31
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Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
I tripped over three bricks of CCI mini-mag at Wally for $24.20 out the door three weeks ago. $0.08/rdQuote:
Originally Posted by Tor Larson
The WWB 9mm was $0.29/rd.
WWB .45ACP is $0.45/rd
That's the new normal.
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Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
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Loaded ammo will probably be 10++ weeks.
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Got mine in 2 weeks in augustQuote:
Originally Posted by brutal
Got mine 5 years ago in WM. $14 per 550 fed bulk pack. Some of the SA (55gr) 300 rd still has the $35.00 price tag on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
So this guy (and others like him) is the cause of the shortage of .22? I don't think so. Apparently the shortage is relative. He has plenty (as do I...I'm just not selling mine), others don't. So the guy bought ammo or acquired it somewhere, and wants to resell/trade it. I fail to see the problem. If you don't want to pay the price or make the trade then don't.
Maybe his dad died and left it to him. Maybe he was like me and owned a gun store and kept about 20k rounds when he closed it.
If he traded all 14k rounds for a $1k AR, that's 7 cents per round. Hardly the highest prices we've seen in the last year. It's just over 5.5 cents per round if he trades for an $850 AR. There might just be someone out there with too many ARs and not enough .22lr ammo...a perfect match.
You're either for the free market or you're not.
There was a guy of arfcom who said him and his sons go through about 25,000 rounds of 22 a year between plinking and competitions. He finished by saying he had more than 10 years of ammo stored up. 250,000+ rounds of 22 would take up some space.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
i contacted him and offered him a fair price and I'll see how he responds.
Edit: he only wants to trade.
I still have about 10K right now. Bought most of it when it was ~$10 per brick. I doubt we will ever see it below $20 per brick again.
Damn.. I messed up and put CO springs.
I've got about 16K, mostly purchased from the CMP at $275/5000. It hurt my head to pay over $25 a brick but seemed like the right thing to do when crap .22 is going for $50-100 per brick at the gun shows ...
Capitalism, free market economics, and individual responsibility are popular in the abstract but remain theories that fall completely apart on gun forums when it comes to discussing ammo purchase procrastination. Supply/demand realities are deemed gouging by those that couldn't be bothered to put a little extra aside. Were it a one-off event, it'd be interesting. However, as it's essentially an event we see played out every four years, it's become mildly amusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Sit back, enjoy the ride, we'll see this all over again in Spring 2017 after the next election, count on it.
i was being sarcastic, i don't think that is a lot, i have four kids, they can burn some .22Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
Here is to hoping for 2 years without some whack job killing a dozen random people for the fame. Maybe then there will be a lull allowing a restock.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
(and 14k is a good amount of 22 but not "alot" if you buy it by the 10k case)
One caveat to this in my mind. I disagree with scalping when the seller got a particularly good deal with the understanding that the original purchases were for personal use. My example here is the CMP: guns and ammo were made available at exceptionally good prices. Ammo prices rose when some scum bucket drove up to the loading dock and took every available box of ammo and promptly sold them off for substantial profit. I signed a statement saying I wasn't buying my CMP ammo (or Garands or Carbines) for resale so it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I agree completely. I am all for free market but there comes a point when you are just taking advantage of a bad situation. For me it's about doing the right thing and having some integrity. I can never know for sure but given the types of 22 this guy has I can pretty much bet he was one of those guys at Bass pro going in and out the door time after time with arms full of 22 with no intention of using it himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
Just like the guy I ran into at Wal Mart a few weeks back bragging on how many times he went in and grabbed 22lr. (Over 30,000 rounds only for profit). Pisses me off when I see some father and son that just want to go plink a few rounds only to find the self bare because of some greedy profiteer. Hopefully Karma will catch up with these people.
I'm confused. If this thread is designed as some sort of ruse then mods, please delete my comment. If its for real, then guess I'll stock up while my source is ridiculously abundant as usual and just roll on.
Badger
Free markets and doing the right thing/integrity are mutually exclusive and not to be used in the same sentence.
I'll take "Spring 2017 for another run on ammo before President Clinton gets elected" for $1000 Alex.
One man's scalper/gouger is another man's supplier and savior in time of need. In a supply and demand market like we have there's no such thing as price gouging. You're either willing to pay a price for a product or you're not. If you don't buy the product it gives someone else the opportunity to buy it and you save your money for something else. If it doesn't sell at the asking price, the price is adjusted until it does sell. You're also free not to conduct business with that person or business in the future.
Your poor father and son example who don't have .22 ammo to go shoot will most likely have some next time there's a shortage if they've learned their lesson...or they won't. Nobody has the right to have ammo in any particular quantity or at any particular price with the exception of the amount that's for sale at the asking or agreed upon price. If you have the means and you're willing to pay the price, you buy it. If not...tough. I want a nice house in the middle of 1000 acres with my own shooting range. But the real estate market and my own marketable skills being what they are, guess what I don't have?
Yes. It really is that simple.
As to signing an agreement with CMP...then that's really not a free market transaction. The CMP set rules for a sale and they can choose to enforce those rules against that seller if they choose and if they're aware it's going on (did you or anyone else notify them of the "scalper's" activities?) and if the seller signed the same agreement. I've purchased 2 or 3 rifles from the CMP and sold all but one...the best one I wanted to keep. I never signed anything that said I couldn't resell the item(s) I bought. It does say it's for personal use. I personally used it until I found a rifle that I wanted more than the first one then sold it. I didn't violate any CMP agreement. I've also bought several cans of Greek '06 ammo. I decided I got too much and sold a couple. I made a few dollars on all of those sales. I don't feel guilty for doing it and don't think I violated the spirit of the CMP program because the persons who purchased the items were very happy with the items I had for sale at the price I was asking.
I don't like the fact that some ammo prices are very high and availability is very limited...at the time I could use some more .22WMR but that's not the point. The point is I understand economics when it comes to the (relatively) free market and the theory of supply and demand well enough that you can bet your ass when .22WMR is available again at a reasonable price (that would be a price I am willing to pay...not necessarily anyone else) I'll be stocking up if my means permit it.
Price gouging is a myth, pure and simple. If you don't understand and believe that then you don't have an understanding of how a free market and capitalism works. At all. Because that's it at it's very basic level.
Maybe, maybe not. It's all relative to how much one wants or needs something.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
If you had an illness and were living in times of a disaster when you needed a life-saving medication and someone had that medication but wanted $X price for it and you didn't have it, you'd probably feel the seller lacked integrity and/or wasn't doing the right thing. If another guy came along with a child who had the same illness and needed the same medication and had the money and was willing to pay it he might feel he owed his child's life to the seller and thought he was the greatest person in the world.
Like I said...it's all relative.
I guess some of us have morals, some do not. It's that simple.
Then why don't you take a stab at explaining how price controls and rationing fit into a free market economy? I'll patiently wait for your answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
Additionally you could read some of the writings from people a lot more educated on the issue than you or I am. Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams would be a good place to start.
This isn't the first time this subject has been discussed here. There are always two sides...the side that argues from emotion because they "feel" things should be different and those that argue from a free market economy perspective. It always ends the same, too. Someone gets butt hurt.
Stab a brother in the back to make a profit. ...At least I know where you guys stand.
So I guess that means you won't be rationally explaining how price controls and rationing fit into a free market economy? It's OK. You're not the first who can't do it. No need to be a drama queen about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
You also seem unable to grasp some other very simple concepts: like the fact that I stated I don't like the high prices/high demand situation we have going on with ammo right now. You see this as an emotional issue because you don't like it and you willingly fail to understand the rationale behind it. Another sunshine patriot...a lot of that goes on around here.
hmmm, i know that when the times allowed i certainly made some profit selling ammo, and will the next time, and i wont apologize for it, yeah i bought 2000 rounds for 300 and sell a 1000 for $200 when prices went up, did that alot, and now i have a lot of ammo that i paid very little for and when my kid pulls the trigger on his ar, it only costs me a few pennies of actual cost and not a damn dollar, if youbhave a head for business then you understand that,
You bastard! You probably killed Kenny, too, with your price gouging.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockhound
Oh, I get it. "high demad" = artificial inflation do to profiteers. If it was just people buying ammo that actually use the ammo I guarantee the shortage would dissapear. It's the people hording it for profit that are causing the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Anyway, I'm bored with this. We can agree to disagree.
2 different things. It would be stabbing you in the back IF i called you while shopping and said HEY wallyworld has 8 cases of X ammo. I know you were looking for some. Since you can't get here want me to grab it for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
Now i have the ammo, meet with you and say, you know i can get 2x the price i paid. You pay me what everyone else will, or i'll sell it to someone else. After i told you the price. That's fucking someone you know over.
Besides the whole PROFIT / PRICE GOUGING THREAD has run it's course. Unless someone want's to archive search and BTT it. give it a rest.
OR next time those who disagree, post something in the TP forums, I'll expect you to sell it for the price you paid, or less, since it is used.
You guys made me want to go to Walmart in the morning to get some ammo. Thanks, now my wife is gonna be pissed at me.... Again.
Word from the Jim.
which one and what time? i'll meet you and do fastbreak afterwards. Tell the spouse the money you" GOUGE" everyone with , is for one more present.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamnanc
No wonder the liberals are over running us. It's every man for himself here no matter what the cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns