11 year old suspended for turning in toy gun ...

DAH FUQ?

http://www.independentsentinel.com/1...weapon-policy/


Forget the whole suspension for the toy gun part ...


They are REGULARLY patting down 11 year olds at school???

WHAT THE FUCK ?

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There were 421 killings in Chicago in 2013. You can click this link to see the actual people killed and it’s horrific when you actually see the faces of these murdered souls. It’s a war zone and it’s getting worse. While this horror is taking place in the Windy City, school officials really aren’t getting their priorities straight.
An 11-year old in 6th grade boy at the Fredrick Funston Elementary School, Caden Cook, was suspended from school for voluntarily turning in a non-firing plastic toy gun he had mistakenly left in his jacket pocket from the night before. He was waiting to be patted down, which is the normal state of affairs in this school, when he remembered the toy gun, but turning it in wasn’t sufficient.
His crime you ask? He violated the school’s weapons policy against dangerous objects. The school might not feel they have much latitude on this issue. The Chicago Public Schools defines the “dangerous objects” policy. The object Caden Cook had is ludicrously considered a “firearm.”
He has been ordered to undergo counseling and, according to The Rutherford Institute which has taken his case, he has also been subjected to intimidation tactics, interrogation, and dire threats by school officials—all without his mother being present.
He’s 11!!! And he’s being made to feel like a criminal. God only knows what damage that could do to this little boy.
The Rutherford Institute has put out a statement of support for the student and demanding that the school reverse its abusive treatment of the child.

“This case speaks volumes about what’s wrong with our public schools and public officials: rather than school officials showing they are capable of exercising good judgment, distinguishing between what is and is not a true threat, and preserving safety while steering clear of a lockdown mindset better suited to a prison environment, they instead opted to exhibit poor judgment, embrace heavy handed tactics, and treat a toy gun like a dangerous weapon,” said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute and author of A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State. “In the process, school officials sent a strong, chilling message to this child and his classmates that they have no rights in the American police state.”

Zero tolerance policies are insane and damaging to young children. Funston’s motto is Where We Focus on Children and children are their number one priority. They seem to be missing the mark on this issue. Wanting to protect children can’t involve setting up a police state.

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This is a perfect illustration of why I'm totally against more funding for public schools. They can't get their shit together. You'd think highly educated people that hold administrative policy-making positions within a school system could come up with something besides "zero tolerance" and "it's for the children".

It'll be a cold day in hell before I vote for any increase in public school funding. Liberals have fucked this up just like they've fucked up everything else they're involved in.

"More funding"? Should be "any funding"



Lobbed from my electronic ball and chain

You think that kid will ever put any trust in an "authority figure" again?
The knuckleheads just created a bigger problem than they solved.
Idiots.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

This is a perfect illustration of why I'm totally against more funding for public schools. They can't get their shit together.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I vote for any increase in public school funding. Liberals have fucked this up just like they've fucked up everything else they're involved in.

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This in spades.

This is Chicago - the same bunch of rocket scientists that got all flustered over the picture of a gun in the "No Guns" sign! Petty tyrants getting $144k a year to do this.

Rights are over rated anyways.

And in another state, Dwayne Ferguson (Click for link), who had an ACTUAL firearm on his person while at a school AND was instrumental in getting the laws changed to upgrade the charge for such an offense from MISDEMEANOR to FELONY, is pleading:
PLEAD: Not Guilty
DEFENSE: "Duh, I forgot I had a real loaded gun on me."

So...if THIS guy gets off, and the 11-year old, who seemed to have enough sense to say "I forgot I had a toy [that appears like something that is prohibited]. Here it is, let me give it to you so there is no mistake about my intent." , is run through the coals, then we've got BIGGER issues to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

This is a perfect illustration of why I'm totally against more funding for public schools. They can't get their shit together. You'd think highly educated people that hold administrative policy-making positions within a school system could come up with something besides "zero tolerance" and "it's for the children".

It'll be a cold day in hell before I vote for any increase in public school funding. Liberals have fucked this up just like they've fucked up everything else they're involved in.

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Well as you know, highly educated does not mean "smart." Zero Tolerance is the worst possible policy ever created when it comes to schools.

Like I said before .. forget the whole retatdedness for the zero tolerance suspension over a toy....

They re regularly patting down 11 yr olds at school who have done nothing wrong but go to school ... that doesn't bother anyone ?

Add this to "Common Core" and the daily teacher banging a student I cannot find a more compelling reason for home schooling and education vouchers.

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Originally Posted by clublights

Like I said before .. forget the whole retatdedness for the zero tolerance suspension over a toy....

They re regularly patting down 11 yr olds at school who have done nothing wrong but go to school ... that doesn't bother anyone ?

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They probably cannot afford metal detectors. Even if they could it wouldn't have caught the evil dangerous plastic firearm.

Just think how long it takes for the kids to get into the school.



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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Well as you know, highly educated does not mean "smart." Zero Tolerance is the worst possible policy ever created when it comes to schools.

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This times infinity plus infinity squared. I work with very highly educated people yet they had to hire me, a knuckle dragger, to run their operations and balance their budgets.
It's cliche and stereotyping but teachers teach because they can't 'do' yet over time those teachers become administrators who never learned how to apply their management or leadership theories in real life. Once in power, everything goes to chaos theory real quick.

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Originally Posted by clublights

Like I said before .. forget the whole retatdedness for the zero tolerance suspension over a toy....

They re regularly patting down 11 yr olds at school who have done nothing wrong but go to school ... that doesn't bother anyone ?

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It is Chicago... AKA Liberal Utopian city (with a very high murder rate to go with it!). CA, DC, NY, IL, these are places where freedom is a very loose word. Yes, this bothers me, but look at which side's policies run those places... that's right, extreme left policies. I guess we chalk that up to stupid games, stupid prizes. And they're moving this direction!!! [panic]

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Originally Posted by muddywings

This times infinity plus infinity squared. I work with very highly educated people yet they had to hire me, a knuckle dragger, to run their operations and balance their budgets.
It's cliche and stereotyping but teachers teach because they can't 'do' yet over time those teachers become administrators who never learned how to apply their management or leadership theories in real life. Once in power, everything goes to chaos theory real quick.

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Very well said. Most teachers I know now (that are my age) are very stupid, for being "highly educated." It's sad that some of them cannot see past their liberal agenda, one I even went to HS with believes in the whole cradle-to-grave care... I constantly attack her opinions about kids with "Stop letting the government (department of education) raise your kids, be a damn parent!"

nvm...

Sorry to sound like I'm generalizing BigBear... I know a few teachers that are actually quite good and resist the progressive movement, but gosh, they are so outnumbered (or at least outspoken) by the number of leftists in the profession. And, like the LE industry enjoys a very conservative majority, teaching, as a profession, is predominantly a liberal dominated workforce. It's really a very complex problem- liberal teachers being in the majority, teacher unions, crap parents who have some stupid excuse to suck at raising children, and of course, society that overreacts when a kid takes a bit of his freaking pop tart and it looks like a gun. Something needs to change. We need sanity back in our world.

While undoubtedly there are good teachers in public schools, I'm not willing to subject my children to the very real problems of the public school system. They all go to private schools. The reality is that the majority of people don't care. Parents, students, teachers, politicians. Just don't see the country coming around without a catalyst. My plan is to teach my children to be able to take advantage of the chaos. To position themselves against the system.

Well, thank you Big Bear for what you are doing. I appreciate it.

I wish more teachers were like minded with you....and I wish parents did more, like they're supposed to.

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Originally Posted by clublights

Like I said before .. forget the whole retatdedness for the zero tolerance suspension over a toy....

They re regularly patting down 11 yr olds at school who have done nothing wrong but go to school ... that doesn't bother anyone ?

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Yeah. But they're being subjected to pat-downs due to stupid zero tolerance policies.

Bigbear, please realize that i fully went in to that comment saying that I was stereotyping and therefor generalizing myself. There are always outliers that are exceptions to the rule which is seems that you are. Good on you; it's a noble profession!
You have a lot of work to do to try to convert your peers to a more sane way of thinking about how the world works.
Also, in full disclosure I'm a selfish snipped DINKWAD (with a dog)!!
No flaming required. [Beer]

Serves the kid right! What in the world was he thinking bringing a toy plastic gun to school?! - they should lock his parents up too, guns are bad!

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Originally Posted by BigBear

Man, just like the cop bashing, I'm tired of the teacher bashing. For full disclosure: I am a public school teacher, and while I do have an advanced degree, I do not consider myself "highly educated" except in the field in which I have my advanced degree...

**snip for brevities sake**

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When this went "teacher bashing" I thought of you Bear and know you( as in all teachers) are not all that bad .

I'm just flustered that a system can justify and the people let it that patting down school children is OK .. if they had tried that shit when I was that age.. almost 30 years ago.. I'd like to think my parents would have went ape shit ... as well as the ACLU and everyone else. how can raising children in an environment that promotes being patted down for nothing more then going to school produce " good people" ?

I can't even put it in to words properly I'm so pissed about it .

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Yeah. But they're being subjected to pat-downs due to stupid zero tolerance policies.

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Fair enough ... Didn't look at it from that context.

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Originally Posted by clublights

When this went "teacher bashing" I thought of you Bear and know you( as in all teachers) are not all that bad .

I'm just flustered that a system can justify and the people let it that patting down school children is OK .. if they had tried that shit when I was that age.. almost 30 years ago.. I'd like to think my parents would have went ape shit ... as well as the ACLU and everyone else. how can raising children in an environment that promotes being patted down for nothing more then going to school produce " good people" ?

I can't even put it in to words properly I'm so pissed about it .

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They justify it by telling themselves that "the children belong to the community", "if it'll just save one", etc. If parents/people would stop sitting idly by complaining on forums and actually confront the problem... it would stop in a heart beat. After all, YOUR tax dollars are paying the teachers salaries. However, just like our debt ceiling and all the other issues everyone is like "we'll take care of it on the next round".

Remember: Patience is a virtue, unless you have cancer...

It's nearly baffling in hindsight that I was let go each afternoon after school by my parents with a box of .22 and a rifle to go amuse myself...that was in 3rd grade.

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Originally Posted by BigBear

They justify it by telling themselves that "the children belong to the community", "if it'll just save one", etc. If parents/people would stop sitting idly by complaining on forums and actually confront the problem... it would stop in a heart beat. After all, YOUR tax dollars are paying the teachers salaries. However, just like our debt ceiling and all the other issues everyone is like "we'll take care of it on the next round".

Remember: Patience is a virtue, unless you have cancer...

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I'm one of those that does not have kids so me whining to school boards is .. well pointless ... at least that is how I feel they would look at me

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Originally Posted by hatidua

It's nearly baffling in hindsight that I was let go each afternoon after school by my parents with a box of .22 and a rifle to go amuse myself...that was in 3rd grade.

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A Red Ryder and as many Black Cats as I could stuff in my pockets here...

Still have both eyes and all my fingers .... despite what my grandmother said would happen ..... ( grandpa gave me the rifle and the black cats daily ..)

This portion of the article is pretty disturbing to me. Counseling is just ridiculous for this situation. The whole thing is so absurd I can barely wrap my mind around it.

He has been ordered to undergo counseling and, according to The Rutherford Institute which has taken his case, he has also been subjected to intimidation tactics, interrogation, and dire threats by school officials—all without his mother being present.

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

You think that kid will ever put any trust in an "authority figure" again?
The knuckleheads just created a bigger problem than they solved.
Idiots.

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Agreed. These policies create rebels, rather than protecting anyone. It is clearly the extension of a political agenda, rather than an safety issue. The kid didn't even bring it, he discovered it and turned it in before getting "caught"