The tide grows stronger...

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03-13-2014, 21:37
ZERO THEORY

The tide grows stronger...

Following in the vain of Venezuela, Egypt, Ukraine, Syria, and Greece, Turkey is now experiencing a significant wave of dissatisfaction with their 21st century government's policies. So I guess my question is, when/will the US follow suit? What will the ramifications be and how will our country take shape afterwards? If and when we see organized resistance, will it be so significant that it kicks off a worldwide reform or situation?

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03-13-2014, 21:42
Irving

The people that'd be good to protest don't like crowds and would stay home.
03-13-2014, 22:17
<MADDOG>

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Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY

Following in the vain of Venezuela, Egypt, Ukraine, Syria, and Greece, Turkey is now experiencing a significant wave of dissatisfaction with their 21st century government's policies. So I guess my question is, when/will the US follow suit? What will the ramifications be and how will our country take shape afterwards? If and when we see organized resistance, will it be so significant that it kicks off a worldwide reform or situation?

Your questions, as I see them, in order:

I dunno, but I do think it will be at least in the next decade, if not the next 5 years or under. Personally, I hope never; but there are too many things going on nationally and internationally to ignore.

Good question...I think the political divides of the country may have a factor in the equation, but I'm curious as to what other people think.

History shows when one empire falls, another rises.

The question I have is: has this shit being going on for decades? The internet is a bitch...Info gets disseminated at the speed of electricity now. Is it any worse than it was in the 80's, 90's, or even the 00's?

Oh, BTW: #6 has potential! [LOL]
03-17-2014, 21:19
ben4372

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Oh, BTW: #6 has potential! [LOL]

Is that the bloody one?
03-17-2014, 22:25
OtterbatHellcat

Might be the one in the AD in the background.

The world is a FUM.

Isn't everyone else tired of us rescuing people around the world on our dime....when our leaders decide *blank amount of injustice* is too much? I think we ought to focus more on our people/country here, as a primary task...and maybe kinda sit back a little more as far as the rest of the horseshit going on globally.
03-18-2014, 08:27
Ronin13

Could this go on here? Sure... Problem is who? Irving hit the nail on the head- it won't be folks who think like us. I doubt it would even be the fed up members of the Tea Party. No, the ones in this country who would go all out and take protests to new levels would be the same low-information dolts like the Occupy movement, or some other left-wing radicals hell bent on ridding the world of that evil capitalism.
03-18-2014, 09:23
MED

I think we will see this when there is a major economic collapse, which will be far worse then the great depression. We are on the precipice of collapse now. When this happens, there will be a major movement toward socialism as the sheep look toward the government to save them. It will be a mess and the end of the American "empire", and it will happen soon. Personally, I believe this is Obama's plan; he has to break a few eggs to build the socialist utopia of his dreams.
03-18-2014, 11:06
tmleadr03

For all our faults this country is so far removed from the conditions of those countries that we have a long way to go before we see anything like that.
03-18-2014, 14:01
Zundfolge

Well its not as intense yet, but this pic was taken in New York of all places.

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(those are gun registration forms on the bbq there)
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Once NY and CT Po-po start kicking in doors, things are gonna get interesting.
03-18-2014, 16:10
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by MED

I think we will see this when there is a major economic collapse, which will be far worse then the great depression. We are on the precipice of collapse now. When this happens, there will be a major movement toward socialism as the sheep look toward the government to save them. It will be a mess and the end of the American "empire", and it will happen soon. Personally, I believe this is Obama's plan; he has to break a few eggs to build the socialist utopia of his dreams.

Respectfully, I'm going to have to disagree there. I don't see us nearing a collapse soon. If you look at the wealthy in this country, we could have the continuation of our national debt for years, and these people won't even bat an eye. My GF's aunt for one- she can afford to give her daughter $60K a year, for just being her daughter. I've met some folks (one is my GF's client) who can afford not only the biggest damn house I've seen in some time, but also a brand new S600 every year. And he has his money planned out for the next 30 years or more. I just don't see us collapsing anytime in the near future. Of course, I could be wrong...
03-18-2014, 16:19
ChunkyMonkey

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Respectfully, I'm going to have to disagree there. I don't see us nearing a collapse soon. If you look at the wealthy in this country, we could have the continuation of our national debt for years, and these people won't even bat an eye. My GF's aunt for one- she can afford to give her daughter $60K a year, for just being her daughter. I've met some folks (one is my GF's client) who can afford not only the biggest damn house I've seen in some time, but also a brand new S600 every year. And he has his money planned out for the next 30 years or more. I just don't see us collapsing anytime in the near future. Of course, I could be wrong...

People's wealth has nothing to do with bad policies which may cause high cost of living for the average folks. I.E. Shah's Iran, more recently Qatar's riots/unrest. You cannot legistate out of debt by charging the wealthiest either.. i.e. current France.
03-18-2014, 16:23
Zundfolge

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Respectfully, I'm going to have to disagree there. I don't see us nearing a collapse soon. If you look at the wealthy in this country, we could have the continuation of our national debt for years, and these people won't even bat an eye.

As long as the dollar itself never collapses then you're right. It took the Russians almost 70 years to burn through the Czars' wealth and they were full blown Communist.

Problem is I suspect when the collapse happens here it will be because the dollar becomes worthless almost over night, and since most of the wealth of the wealthiest Americans is tied up in intangible paper, it'll go "poof" and then the shitstorm starts.

I've said to several people, several times in the recent weeks I feel like we're in a race between tyranny and collapse ... and I'm hoping for the collapse because at least then the mass death will be indiscriminate and inefficient instead of organized and efficient.
03-18-2014, 16:37
hatidua

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

If you look at the wealthy in this country, we could have the continuation of our national debt for years, and these people won't even bat an eye. My GF's aunt for one- she can afford to give her daughter $60K a year, for just being her daughter. I've met some folks (one is my GF's client) who can afford not only the biggest damn house I've seen in some time, but also a brand new S600 every year. And he has his money planned out for the next 30 years or more.

It doesn't matter if Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are both uncles of yours and you golf with them on the weekends - we all know a few folks who are loaded. However, stop the welfare payments, nationwide, for six weeks and it'll make the mess in Egypt/Turkey/Ukraine look like a pleasant picnic in the park on a warm Sunday afternoon. Yes, there are more millionaires in the U.S. in 2014 than at any time in the past but there are also more people on food stamps and welfare than at any point in the past as well. If you research what has caused some of the unrest abroad, it might make that a more poignant thing to consider.

I'm not suggesting I see a collapse but discounting various societal indicators simply because you know a few dozen people for whom money is no object is completely beside the point.
03-18-2014, 16:40
ChunkyMonkey

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Originally Posted by hatidua

It doesn't matter if Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are both uncles of yours and you golf with them on the weekends - we all know a few folks who are loaded. However, stop the welfare payments, nationwide, for six weeks and it'll make the mess in Egypt/Turkey/Ukraine look like a pleasant picnic in the park on a warm Sunday afternoon. Yes, there are more millionaires in the U.S. in 2014 than at any time in the past but there are also more people on food stamps and welfare than at any point in the past as well. If you research what has caused some of the unrest abroad, it might make that a more poignant thing to consider.

I'm not suggesting I see a collapse but discounting various societal indicators simply because you know a few dozen people for whom money is no object is completely beside the point.

You are such a nice guy..gave too much credit for the entitled.. It only took 2 hours to cause mini riots in Florida last year [panic]
03-18-2014, 17:40
<MADDOG>

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

...If you look at the wealthy in this country, we could have the continuation of our national debt for years, and these people won't even bat an eye...

I'm confused on your statement Ronin; how are the wealthy interconnected with our debt? As demonstrated in the past, the wealthy are the 1st ones to get out of dodge when things start getting squirrely...

I also think you underestimate our debt. Five main factors I see: 0% interest, foreign entities are beginning to loose favor with T-Bill's, talk of movement off the petro-dollar, Fed's balance sheet is inflated with Q/E (and it keeps going), and countries are have been stockpiling gold.

On a side note; I had a conversation with a gentleman yesterday, and he has a theory that the current hoopla in CT is a "test vehicle". Five+ years ago, I would have called him nuts. I can't say that now...
03-18-2014, 18:58
HoneyBadger

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Respectfully, I'm going to have to disagree there. I don't see us nearing a collapse soon. If you look at the wealthy in this country, we could have the continuation of our national debt for years, and these people won't even bat an eye. My GF's aunt for one- she can afford to give her daughter $60K a year, for just being her daughter. I've met some folks (one is my GF's client) who can afford not only the biggest damn house I've seen in some time, but also a brand new S600 every year. And he has his money planned out for the next 30 years or more. I just don't see us collapsing anytime in the near future. Of course, I could be wrong...

All those dollars don't mean a thing when they don't have any real value... (Fiat currency)
03-18-2014, 19:36
ChunkyMonkey

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

All those dollars don't mean a thing when they don't have any real value... (Fiat currency)

You and I should stop brining logic to his post. [panic][Flower]
03-18-2014, 19:45
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by hatidua

It doesn't matter if Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are both uncles of yours and you golf with them on the weekends - we all know a few folks who are loaded. However, stop the welfare payments, nationwide, for six weeks and it'll make the mess in Egypt/Turkey/Ukraine look like a pleasant picnic in the park on a warm Sunday afternoon. Yes, there are more millionaires in the U.S. in 2014 than at any time in the past but there are also more people on food stamps and welfare than at any point in the past as well. If you research what has caused some of the unrest abroad, it might make that a more poignant thing to consider.

I'm not suggesting I see a collapse but discounting various societal indicators simply because you know a few dozen people for whom money is no object is completely beside the point.

Oh of course- the welfare folks and the poor will be eating the rich- for lack of a better term, if their gravy train ever stops. And I agree- the one way this country will rip itself apart is when that government money stops flowing to the people who live off of it.

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

All those dollars don't mean a thing when they don't have any real value... (Fiat currency)

That is a very good point. I think when that time comes we'll have some real problems, but don't discredit this nation's role in the world economy. A lot of other nations depend on us not to fail.
03-18-2014, 19:49
HoneyBadger

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Oh of course- the welfare folks and the poor will be eating the rich- for lack of a better term, if their gravy train ever stops. And I agree- the one way this country will rip itself apart is when that government money stops flowing to the people who live off of it.

That is a very good point. I think when that time comes we'll have some real problems, but don't discredit this nation's role in the world economy. A lot of other nations depend on us not to fail.

I never suggested that the rest of the world wouldn't suffer when the dollar is only worth the paper it is printed on. It will be bad for everyone.