Saw this about pistol arm braces floating around online today, thought I share it as it includes a full letter..... http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ired-shoudler/
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Saw this about pistol arm braces floating around online today, thought I share it as it includes a full letter..... http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ired-shoudler/
OK, I'll do it.
[facepalm]
Yes they are legal, and yes buying an AR pistol and having a Sig arm brace put on it is WAY cheaper than buying most SBR AR's and then filing your tax stamp.
I'm aware that the Sigtac arm brace is legal.....was mainly trying to address that the letter was to the Greenwood Police Dept in CO....which I thought was great that Sgt Joe Bradley contacted ATF to clarify the use of AR pistols and arm braces.
This looks like a great option if I build an AR pistol.
Nothing new, easy way to save some useless taxation by the Feds.
Bradley contacted ATF hoping the sig brace was not legal, Nothing moreQuote:
Originally Posted by FLIPCO
Slow news day!
Use a shotgun with a leg brace myself........ But to each his own I guess.
I guess this is old news so forgive me for not being some nerd who sits behind a computer and hits refresh every 15 mins or less for every firearms related news website......might be old news to some but was new news to me that just came across one of my feeds Today!!
Interesting picture they chose to lead the story. If that pistol just has the arm brace and isn't SBR'd, that VFG is a no-no. Even if the can is fake and permanently affixed, it looks shorter than 16" to me. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so.
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Originally Posted by baglock1
Correct NO VFG on pistol's. The magpul AFG is GTG.
So i'm assuming people are carrying that letter from the atf with them all the time with the brace on?
One in the AR case, and one for the AK rolled up and stuffed in opening at the end and rubber plugged... [Tooth]Quote:
Originally Posted by XXFattyHunterXX
I found it news worthy. I'm more informed than I was a hour ago, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by FLIPCO
I would, but I'd carry an ATF letter for anything that I though might get a LEO feeling a little froggy (a bump fire stock for example). It may not keep you out of jail if the LEO is a clueless douchebag but the letter is better than a thumb up my ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXFattyHunterXX
Good advice. Rather scary that a lot of LEO's aren't up to speed on current laws. You can bet your ass there are LEO's who don't know that civilians can legally own Class 3 firearms, suppressors, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by baglock1
I found this thread to be educational.
yeah all legal ....
till the ATF changes it's mind ... on pure whim ... and everyone that has one is now a criminal.
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Originally Posted by baglock1
The story says they used an SBR lower to take the pic " just in case" from before they got the letter.
And that's their story, and they're stickin' to it!Quote:
Originally Posted by clublights
I was surprised to see where that ATF letter was sent. Why was the Greenwood Village Police Dept wondering if firing an AR pistol from the shoulder would cause the pistol to be reclassified as a SBR?
I heard (rumor)something to the effect; they want to issue to their motorcycle cops without going the SBR hassle route. something to the effect police need to check out, and then check em in each shift if an SBR. This avoids that hassle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brass
Person who told me seems knowledgeable.
PD letterheads eliminate the SBR issues. LE does not have NFA stamps for PD owned weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10mm-man
I bet the ATF employee who approved the arm brace was fired soon after he approved it.
Yea, of course what was I thinking.........(Sarcasm)Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
Never mind department rules; requiring them to check the (SBR) rifle out/in before shift because it's department owned; not individual owned. Brace eliminates that issue.
Didn't make sense to me either, so tell ya what, instead of me continuing to defend a rumor; call Rob at Bowers. let us know what the "real" deal is. [Beer]
As a LEO and issued a Colt SBR rifle owned by the agency, I do not have to turn it in every day. It is locked in the trunk of my assigned vehicle.
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Originally Posted by OneGuy67
Makes sense to me... But how about the motorcycle cops? That is what the comment was in reference to. Guess it could be locked in the saddle bags; no? Gun shop rumor, like I said.
Further; I guess that is why the letter was written to the ATF by Greenwood Village police. I hate repeating rumors, but to late, already started. If I could take it back I would, because I have no idea of the truth in this.
When I was a patrol officer, we took the rifles home. The same for the motor guys. Since I am very familiar with GV, the cops there can either take them home or lock them in their individual equipment lockers they have.
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My response was; "why would they use an arm brace, when they could use a butt stock?" That was the response I got. I am no one to argue with it, I have no idea of GV regs.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneGuy67
Rumor redacted- For the record; I didn't start it! [ROFL3][Beer]
Doesn't Greenwood Village outlaw SBRs though? Perhaps they want to know so they can properly handle the situation if the come across someone in their limits with an arm brace.
Greenwood Village is in Arapahoe cty. While not signing off they can't outlaw them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Not sure if they outlawed it, by GV is by no mean pro gun or freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Isn't there a little city near Denver where Class III stuff is effectively illegal? We just had a thread about it recently.
Ahh, here we go. It WAS Greenwood Village.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/125819-...ibit-NFA-items
When I was younger I got pulled over for driving an ugly beat up car. Got let off with a warning. Was told I should get it fixed. I know now it was really because I looked out of place.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanWolf
This has what to do with NFA items. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ben4372
Yep, GV is like that. People live there realy dont understand how to let live.Quote:
Originally Posted by ben4372
I asked a Lakewood cop about that back around 2010ish when I started carrying and what she told me was flat out wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
Yep, these are all great examples of how our LEO's are not "up to speed" on current firearms laws that pertain to the general public. Scary, IMO. Not all, but there are a lot of LEO's who are not in favor of our firearm rights. Not trying to cop bash. [Beer]
Does anyone own a 308 sbr? I am pondering the idea of a 10.5" ar10.
btw I am not looking to debate if a 10.5 barrel is a waste for the 308 cartridge... Yes it is, I don't know if it would cycle well but it sounds like a fun idea.