Corrupt Establishment GOP is Crony Capitalism's Bought and Paid for Political Arm

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-midterms.html

Oligarchs like Paul Singer (head of a Wall Street vulture fund) continue to use their vast wealth to subvert our political process and install corrupt, venal, and pliable establishment GOP operatives who represent the Wall Street crooks and Beltway insiders, not the rubes back home. Look for these Karl Rove-backed "Republicrats" to seek "consensus" (read: fold like cheap suits) on issues like gun control, taxation, and immigration reform.

If you want to see who owns candidates like Mark Warner or Michael Bennett (or any of the establishment GOP candidates) go to open secrets dot org and see who's funding their campaigns.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/201...s-complicated/

Reading your nonsense is like reading HuffPo.

...and my ignore list grows longer.

I hear the same stuff at the office, I don't need to read it during my free time.

Does the GOP have problems? Most certainly they do but we're talking molehills when GOP problems are compared to mountains of crap from CPUSA.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Reading your nonsense is like reading HuffPo.

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Huffpo? This "guy" is a blatant flag burner, who has no independent idea's, outside of Copy & paste. Hell he can't even attack me without using progressive talking points .

His shtick boil's down to i know i am but what are you. Shit ALMOST everyone grew out of in 3rd grade. .

Time to put cujo down.

I bet the OP won't say how many R's voted for Hickenlooper's gun bills

"Flag-burner?" Like expecting the GOP to be a principled alternative to the Democrats and a champion of the productive middle and working classes against both the parasites and unscrupulous elites is somehow unpatriotic? Are you guys really that mindless and forgiving of corruption in high places, regardless of the party affiliation of the perpetrators? Or is shambling zombie-like into the voting booth and voting for the R over the D, even if they both are equally corrupt and larcenous, somehow your idea of doing your civic duty? Sounds sheep-like to me.

I have no idea how many "Rs" voted for Hick's gun bills. I was happy to help contribute and vote for recalling Morse's sorry a$$ from public office and hope we see the last of Hick and his ilk after the next election. I do know a lot of "Rs" like Cantor said one thing to get elected, then cravenly jettisoned their so-called conservative beliefs for the sake of political expediency and collecting fat contributions from K Street lobbyists. Unlike "Great-Kazoo" who makes ad hominem attacks on anyone who expects his beloved "Rs" to embody actual republican (small R) beliefs, I expect ACCOUNTABILITY and INTEGRITY out of our elected officials, ESPECIALLY the Rs. And if they show otherwise, then I'll call them out on it and refuse to support them.

Is this forum really such an echo chamber that anyone who calls out GOP as well as DNC corruption needs to be "put down" in Great-Kazoo's words? I don't give the GOP a pass on sleaze and wrongdoing any more than I do the DNC - moral relativism (turning a blind eye to crony capitalism, for instance, when practiced by "our" party) shows just how compromised and brain-dead certain segments of our electorate have become. A true patriot expects their political representatives and party to actually advocate for their constituents, not sell their votes and souls to the highest bidder.

The election of David Brat, a political novice who called out Eric Cantor on his hypocrisy in spouting conservative rhetoric but serving Wall Street's agenda, is a hopeful sign that the GOP grass roots is fed up with RINOs who talk the talk but are in the pockets of the Wall Street crooks and beltway insiders. Cantor spent more on steak dinners in fancy restaurants ($178K) than Brat did on his entire campaign, and outspent Brat 25-to-one thanks to fat cat campaign contributions from the likes of Goldman Sachs and Blackstone, but Brat called him out being out of touch with the people who elected him, not to mention the superficiality of his conservative values. Guys like Brat show there's hope that an aware and energized GOP grass roots will no longer settle for the "lesser of two evils" and will in fact not VOTE for or support evil.

Oh, yeah. You have the market cornered on political righteousness. It's hard to tell if you're carrying water for the DNC or Alex Jones. Your political rhetoric is so over the top that it's simply impossible, for me anyway, to take anything you say seriously.

I'm not going to read your links, just state my opinion on your topic. One has to assume every politician is corrupt, the power attracts that type like moths. If you find the rare one that is not, shout that out from the rooftops. If you find one that goes too far, lock them up. Other than that you have to find the ones that have not taken bribes to screw you over.

They are all out to *censored* someone, pick the ones that are not after you.

Recent polls show that only seven percent of Americans think Congress is going a good job, yet historically the great majority of voters will vote to return their incumbent representative - Democrat or Republican - to office. And then wonder why we keep going down the same path.

If my concerns about the corrosive impact of big-money corporate or Wall Street donors (who have been bailed out to the tune of over a trillion dollars by taxpayers) on the political process causes slack-jawed wonders in the GOP voting base to mindlessly accuse me of being a water-carrier for Alex Jones or the DNC, that shows just how dumbed-down and morally compromised the American electorate - on both sides of the isle - has become. David Brat, outspent 25 to one, unseated the corrupt RINO Eric Cantor in an upset that shocked the GOP establishment - so yeah, Merl, I'm shouting that from the rooftops. I hope Brat's election signifies that the GOP base (apart from some of the bovine cud-chewers of the sort who posted above) are finally waking up and rejecting business-as-usual crony capitalism and politicians who sell out to the highest bidder.

+1 on everything you have said on these postings. Democrats are running us to the cliff and shoving us over. Republicans are walking us there. If you cannot see that the Repubs are "Dem light" you have drunk the koolaid. And, yes I've been a registered Republican for 40yrs. Repubs WAKE UP!!!! Your party is screwing the electorate.



QUOTE=Cujo0920;1655293]Recent polls show that only seven percent of Americans think Congress is going a good job, yet historically the great majority of voters will vote to return their incumbent representative - Democrat or Republican - to office. And then wonder why we keep going down the same path.

If my concerns about the corrosive impact of big-money corporate or Wall Street donors (who have been bailed out to the tune of over a trillion dollars by taxpayers) on the political process causes slack-jawed wonders in the GOP voting base to mindlessly accuse me of being a water-carrier for Alex Jones or the DNC, that shows just how dumbed-down and morally compromised the American electorate - on both sides of the isle - has become. David Brat, outspent 25 to one, unseated the corrupt RINO Eric Cantor in an upset that shocked the GOP establishment - so yeah, Merl, I'm shouting that from the rooftops. I hope Brat's election signifies that the GOP base (apart from some of the bovine cud-chewers of the sort who posted above) are finally waking up and rejecting business-as-usual crony capitalism and politicians who sell out to the highest bidder.[/QUOTE]

First IBTL?

Testify, Brother Milwaukeeshaker! I'm still a registered Republican but there isn't a dimes worth of difference - empty rhetoric aside - between the corrupt and captured GOP establishment and their Democrat counterparts. Former Reagan budget director David Stockman wrote a fantastic piece calling out the pseudo-conservative Eric Cantor and his ilk on their sleaze and venality. While certain cretins on this board will automatically attack anyone who challenges their sheeplike adherence to the status quo, more and more people - especially in the GOP base - are waking up and holding their elected officials accountable, and giving grifters (and Bloomberg groupies) like Scott Morse the heave-ho.

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.co...the-war-party/

From Stockman: "Its possible to describe Rep.Eric Cantor as a serial sell-out. But that would be giving an unprincipled politician driven by an unalloyed ambition to climb the greasy pole of Washington power too much credit. In truth, Cantor never campaigned for any recognizable principle; he merely maneuvered his way to the top of the House GOP hierarchy by following in the tawdry footsteps of modern GOP bagmen like Tom DeLay and Roy Blunt."

http://www.republicreport.org/2014/dave-brat-cantor/

Another great article on how Cantor's primary defeat reflects a growing anger among the GOP rank-and-file over the perfidy of the establishment GOP, which has been all but completely captured by the mega-corporations, Wall Street crooks, and K Street lobbyists.

Like I said...you're obviously a legend in your own mind regarding what's right and wrong with the political system. Yet, with all your rhetoric and hyperbole, you still wonder why people aren't listening to you. Yeah...it's a stumper, isn't it?

In my experience the only people that believe the R's and D's are the same turn out to be liberals. As far as congresses approval rating the only times it is high is when a single party has enough control to ram it's agenda through and then one party (33%) believes they are doing good. The reason it is low is because we have conflict and gridlock and that's a good thing. It means that one party is not dominating the other party, neither party is getting everything it wants. My take is Republicans are generally there to uphold the constitution and law, Democrats seem to be there to change the constitution and skirt the law. The D's manage to always get a complete coalition to ram their issues through. R's never seem to manage any kind of a monolithic voting block to get anything through.

The R's get a bad rap because if they fart in church the media reports constantly on it, D's get a virtual pass, mention it and move on regardless of what they do. The media learned it's lesson with Jimmy Carter when they threw him under the bus with the misery index and as a side effect got Reagan elected. Now nothing the D's do will be elaborated on, it could backfire and they would loose there way on the path to socialism.

And a little name calling is good but in every other sentence is a tactic of the liberals as well, that's all they have when they don't have a logical or fact based counter point. I don't expect things to get better anytime soon, the education system has been taken over by a group that spends 16 plus years teaching our kids, "republican bad", "democrat good". I constantly talk to young people that don't even know why they believe what they believe.

We have a two party system and that is better than a three or more party system. I don't want an election where a party wins a four way race with 26% of the vote. That would mean we could have a president, a senator or a congressman, that 3/4 of the people didn't vote for or want. As flawed as our system is it is still the best one out there. So pick a party and work within the system to make it what you want it to be. Complaining about both parties won't fix anything, no party is going to be lockstep 100% with what any one person wants, ever, it's always about who's getting closer. And politics will always be about huge amounts of money, don't get caught up in the media crap about who has more and where it comes from. Me I would rather see political money come from the American Koch brothers that the Hungarian Soros, the media doesn't see that way.

So now I'm being scolded by a guy with the juvenile handle of "Buck Farack" who says fraud is OK as long as its the GOP committing it. I guess that tells me all I need to know about your ethics. Meanwhile, another dude or should I say dupe bleats that the two-party Republicrat duopoly, which has given us a $17 trillion dollar (unpayable) national debt, Obamacare, Common Core, countless infringements on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, endless bailouts for Wall Street grifters and debasement of the currency through the Fed's deranged money-printing, and oligarchs like Soros and the Koch Bros (not to mention Bloomberg) subverting our political process (for their own benefit) through their massive bribes, er, campaign contributions - according to "Big E3" that's all just swell and anybody who opposes the direction the BOTH parties are herding us in "turns out to be liberals"? Wow, we've got some really deep thinkers in the house today. No wonder we're so screwed as a country with sheep like these pulling the voting levers.

Republicans for the constitution? When have the Repubs who have regained Senate or Congressional powers back from the Dems ever then repealed all of the unconstitutional laws passed by the Dems, gun laws or otherwise? Upholding the constitution? Say John McCain R twice and click your heels. That's just the glaring Repub sellout I can think of at this time. one of the points the OP was making is that the Repubs are not angels, and if there is enough incentive (power or money) they are just as bad as a Dem. I for one am sick of my party leaning to the left, I want the right wing version that I joined in the past. The Tea Party seems to get it.

Well said, sir. The OP's point is that voters and taxpayers, regardless of party affiliation, need to hold their elected officials and party leadership accountable, period. As we did with Scott Morse. Power corrupts, as Canter, McCain, and Miss Lindsey Graham demonstrate daily through their fecklessness and contempt for traditional Republican principles. Unfortunately, our political class can count on sheep of the sort who seem to be well represented in here to mindlessly pull the R or D lever every election and parrot the party line, too ignorant or unprincipled to care that their so-called representatives, regardless of R or D labels, have been bought and paid for by K Street lobbyists who draft the bills they sign - giving us gems like Common Core and Obamacare that enrich well-connected special interests and voting blocs at the expense of taxpayers and the public interest. These same sheep then emulate their mainstream media border collies by bleating that anyone who doesn't go along with the status quo is somehow an Alex Jones conspiracy theorist or (shudder) "a Dem." Baaaaah go the good little sheep who have never had an original or independent thought in their entire life. Little do they know that they are every GOP sellouts' wet dream, since their support is automatic and mindless regardless of how badly our political elites are screwing them over or leading the country to ruin.

Do you think bi-partisan support for "immigration reform" (i.e. cheap labor for Big Business, more "entitlement" programs & votes for Democrats, despite public opposition) had anything to do with the mass influx of Central American migrant kids flooding across our southern border? I don't recall voting for this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-migrants.html

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Oh, yeah. You have the market cornered on political righteousness. It's hard to tell if you're carrying water for the DNC or Alex Jones. Your political rhetoric is so over the top that it's simply impossible, for me anyway, to take anything you say seriously.

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Um, yeah. And I guess Bobby Jindal is also carrying the water for Alex Jones or the DNC?

http://news.msn.com/us/jindal-says-r...nst-washington

"I can sense right now a rebellion brewing amongst these United States," Jindal said, "where people are ready for a hostile takeover of Washington, D.C., to preserve the American Dream for our children and grandchildren."

The governor said there was a "silent war" on religious liberty being fought in the U.S. — a country that he said was built on that liberty.

"I am tired of the left. They say they're for tolerance, they say they respect diversity. The reality is this: They respect everybody unless you happen to disagree with them," he said. "The left is trying to silence us and I'm tired of it, I won't take it anymore."

Earlier this week, Jindal signed an executive order to block the use of tests tied to Common Core education standards in his state, a position favored by tea party supporters and conservatives. He said he would continue to fight against the administration's attempts to implement Common Core.

"The federal government has no role, no right and no place dictating standards in our local schools across these 50 states of the United States of America," Jindal said.

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So now I'm being scolded by a guy with the juvenile handle of "Buck Farack" who says fraud is OK as long as its the GOP committing it.

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Oh, really? I said that?

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Originally Posted by Cujo0920

I guess that tells me all I need to know about your ethics.

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You don't know anything about my ethics. And if lying is your MO and fabricating things I've said "tells you all you need to know" then you'll just remain clueless. I think if ethics are the topic it's clear you have none.

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Originally Posted by Cujo0920

Meanwhile, another dude or should I say dupe bleats that the two-party Republicrat duopoly, which has given us a $17 trillion dollar (unpayable) national debt, Obamacare, Common Core, countless infringements on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, endless bailouts for Wall Street grifters and debasement of the currency through the Fed's deranged money-printing, and oligarchs like Soros and the Koch Bros (not to mention Bloomberg) subverting our political process (for their own benefit) through their massive bribes, er, campaign contributions - according to "Big E3" that's all just swell and anybody who opposes the direction the BOTH parties are herding us in "turns out to be liberals"? Wow, we've got some really deep thinkers in the house today. No wonder we're so screwed as a country with sheep like these pulling the voting levers.

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OK. That confirms it. You're just an asshole. If guys like you are right, I guess I'd rather be wrong.

Oh, BTW. Bobby Jindal isn't a trash-talking moron. You are. He's intelligent and worth listening to. You aren't.

At least Cujo has not resorted to vulgarity. Why are you such rabid Republican Bailey? Just for a minute try to think outside of your box and realize the party is not what it used to be and there might be another alternative. I'm not trying to goad you, you seem well informed, I just don't believe you cannot see the flaws that are apparent to others.

It must be election season when name calling liberals show up here to try to pass themselves off as "the only thinking" republicans. Funny they tend to only throw republicans under the bus. Kind of looks like the weekend assignment was to go to a mostly republican site and create a discussion using as many liberal phases as you can. See if you can piss off republican voters and maybe they won't show up to vote.

Just a few words and phrases I noticed that appear to be right out of the liberal playbook;

Oligarchs, vulture fund, corrupt, venal, pliable, GOP operatives, Wall Street crooks, "Republicrats", cheap suits, parasites, unscrupulous elites, mindless, perpetrators, shambling zombie-like, larcenous, sheep-like, sorry a$$, his ilk, cravenly jettisoned, fat contributions, ad hominem, echo chamber, sleaze, wrongdoing, moral relativism, crony capitalism, blind eye, brain-dead, true patriot, sell votes and souls, highest bidder, political novice, hypocrisy, spouting rhetoric, RINOs, crooks and beltway insiders, fat cat contributions, superficiality of conservative values, lesser of two evils, VOTE for support evil, corrosive impact, slack-jawed wonders, mindlessly accuse, water-carrier, dumbed-down, morally compromised, corrupt RINO, shouting that from the rooftops, bovine cud-chewers, finally waking, business-as-usual crony capitalism, politicians who sell out, drunk the koolaid, Testify Brother, I'm still a registered Republican, isn't a dimes worth of difference, empty rhetoric, corrupt and captured GOP, pseudo-conservative, sleaze and venality, cretins on this board, sheeplike adherence, status quo, grifters, Bloomberg groupies, perfidy, mega-corporations, Wall Street crooks, K Street lobbyists, juvenile, dupe bleats, two-party Republicrat duopoly, endless bailouts, Wall Street grifters, deranged, subverting, massive bribes, Wow really deep thinkers, sheep like these, fecklessness, well-connected special interests, sheep then emulate, mainstream media border collies, bleating, conspiracy theorist, Baaaaah go the good little sheep, never had an original or independent thought in their entire life, GOP sellouts' wet dream, automatic and mindless, screwing them, immigration reform, cheap labor for Big Business,

These kinds of arguments get nowhere. Neither of the two big political parties are your friends or truly back what you believe them to back. They both oppose the 4th and 5th amendments and the Republicans have proven to be poor defenders of the 2nd. Neither enforces the 1st. Republicans on the establishment side, and Democrats on the speech side.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Oh, yeah. You have the market cornered on political righteousness. It's hard to tell if you're carrying water for the DNC or Alex Jones. Your political rhetoric is so over the top that it's simply impossible, for me anyway, to take anything you say seriously.

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OK "Buck Farack" maybe you'd like to point out which of my very specific assertions, backed by factual evidence, are "carrying water for the DNC or Alex Jones." Or how exactly my "political rhetoric" i.e. factually pointing out how sleazeball vulture capitalists like Paul Singer are using their financial clout to buy a controlling interest in the establishment GOP, constitutes "over the top" political rhetoric. You can't and you won't, so kindly STFU.

Since you criticize me for calling out pseudo-conservatives like Eric Cantor on their whoring for Wall Street grifters and the K Street bagmen who gave us Obamacare, Common Core, "immigration reform," and endless bailouts of the Wall Street swindlers, without being able to refute the truthfulness of what I'm saying, that makes you an accomplice to their fraud in my book. "That which isn't resisted is approved" - and you and your ilk have given the corrupt establishment GOP leadership a free pass to throw the productive middle and working classes in this country under the bus and commit wholesale fraud on taxpayers and unborn generations. So forgive me if I view establishment GOP cheerleaders like you with contempt.

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It must be election season when name calling liberals show up here to try to pass themselves off as "the only thinking" republicans. Funny they tend to only throw republicans under the bus. Kind of looks like the weekend assignment was to go to a mostly republican site and create a discussion using as many liberal phases as you can. See if you can piss off republican voters and maybe they won't show up to vote.

Just a few words and phrases I noticed that appear to be right out of the liberal playbook;

Oligarchs, vulture fund, corrupt, venal, pliable, GOP operatives, Wall Street crooks, "Republicrats", cheap suits, parasites, unscrupulous elites, mindless, perpetrators, shambling zombie-like, larcenous, sheep-like, sorry a$$, his ilk, cravenly jettisoned, fat contributions, ad hominem, echo chamber, sleaze, wrongdoing, moral relativism, crony capitalism, blind eye, brain-dead, true patriot, sell votes and souls, highest bidder, political novice, hypocrisy, spouting rhetoric, RINOs, crooks and beltway insiders, fat cat contributions, superficiality of conservative values, lesser of two evils, VOTE for support evil, corrosive impact, slack-jawed wonders, mindlessly accuse, water-carrier, dumbed-down, morally compromised, corrupt RINO, shouting that from the rooftops, bovine cud-chewers, finally waking, business-as-usual crony capitalism, politicians who sell out, drunk the koolaid, Testify Brother, I'm still a registered Republican, isn't a dimes worth of difference, empty rhetoric, corrupt and captured GOP, pseudo-conservative, sleaze and venality, cretins on this board, sheeplike adherence, status quo, grifters, Bloomberg groupies, perfidy, mega-corporations, Wall Street crooks, K Street lobbyists, juvenile, dupe bleats, two-party Republicrat duopoly, endless bailouts, Wall Street grifters, deranged, subverting, massive bribes, Wow really deep thinkers, sheep like these, fecklessness, well-connected special interests, sheep then emulate, mainstream media border collies, bleating, conspiracy theorist, Baaaaah go the good little sheep, never had an original or independent thought in their entire life, GOP sellouts' wet dream, automatic and mindless, screwing them, immigration reform, cheap labor for Big Business,

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When you fell off the turnip truck, did it run over your head? Are you saying anger over how the Democrats AND Republicans shafted my kids and their generation by sticking them with Wall Street's gambling debts, and foisting abominations like Common Core and Obamacare on schoolkids and taxpayers are somehow "out of the liberal playbook"? Are you seriously that deluded and delusional? Good G*d, man, you sound like a prime candidate for a court-ordered sterilization.

Yeah! What he said.

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These kinds of arguments get nowhere. Neither of the two big political parties are your friends or truly back what you believe them to back. They both oppose the 4th and 5th amendments and the Republicans have proven to be poor defenders of the 2nd. Neither enforces the 1st. Republicans on the establishment side, and Democrats on the speech side.

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At least Cujo has not resorted to vulgarity. Why are you such rabid Republican Bailey? Just for a minute try to think outside of your box and realize the party is not what it used to be and there might be another alternative. I'm not trying to goad you, you seem well informed, I just don't believe you cannot see the flaws that are apparent to others.

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Whatever. Name-calling is name-calling. He did it. I did it. You did it.

I've explained over and over why I vote republican. I've explained over and over why I believe party trumps person. I've explained over and over why I believe the republican party and the democrat party are not the same. I've also explained why I think many republicans (McCain, Boehner and Christie to name a few) are part of the problem with the republican party. I'm sorry you missed it.

Yes there are alternatives. No, there are no viable alternatives if one wants a share of governing in DC.

It's kinda like the old saying, "I love my country, I hate my government." I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I believe the republican party, in and of itself and separate from many in the party, is still the best option available if we want to get back on track to traditional conservative values in this country. There are many up and coming republican politicians who I believe really want to change things...some who've been elected and some who are trying to get elected.

Change isn't going to come by wishing more libertarians (or insert favored party here ______) could get elected. So that's why I vote for republican party candidates. Because the party in charge controls things. And I'd rather have republicans in charge than democrats (and since there isn't a viable alternative those are my only two choices), not because the party is perfect, but because the republican part platform more closely reflects my beliefs.

See? It can be explained without all the name-calling, ridiculous rhetoric and nonsense that cujo finds so fascinating and necessary.

And cujo, I couldn't care less what you think of me. I value the opinions of people I respect. Idiots just bore me.

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Neither of the two big political parties are your friends or truly back what you believe them to back. They both oppose the 4th and 5th amendments and the Republicans have proven to be poor defenders of the 2nd. Neither enforces the 1st. Republicans on the establishment side, and Democrats on the speech side.

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Amen, brother. The dolts who keep pulling the lever for the status quo have no right to complain when, surprise surprise, we keep going down the wrong road regardless of which party is in power.

Now, milwaukee, go back and read cujo's last couple of posts. Talk to me again about vulgarity and who's "rabid".

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When you fell off the turnip truck, did it run over your head? Are you saying anger over how the Democrats AND Republicans shafted my kids and their generation by sticking them with Wall Street's gambling debts, and foisting abominations like Common Core and Obamacare on schoolkids and taxpayers are somehow "out of the liberal playbook"? Are you seriously that deluded and delusional? Good G*d, man, you sound like a prime candidate for a court-ordered sterilization.

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If that's the type of person you'd want to associate with, regardless of political leanings, then we really have nothing to talk about.

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And cujo, I couldn't care less what you think of me. I value the opinions of people I respect. Idiots just bore me.

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The feeling is mutual. Now go back to being a tool.

Yes I missed any earlier explanation. Fair enough. I can respect your position. I don't agree with all of it, but I can see where you come from. I also respect Cujos opinion, and can see his points. Name calling and downgrading really is not the way to go, just seems to degrade the discussion.

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Whatever. Name-calling is name-calling. He did it. I did it. You did it.

I've explained over and over why I vote republican. I've explained over and over why I believe party trumps person. I've explained over and over why I believe the republican party and the democrat party are not the same. I've also explained why I think many republicans (McCain, Boehner and Christie to name a few) are part of the problem with the republican party. I'm sorry you missed it.

Yes there are alternatives. No, there are no viable alternatives if one wants a share of governing in DC.

It's kinda like the old saying, "I love my country, I hate my government." I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I believe the republican party, in and of itself and separate from many in the party, is still the best option available if we want to get back on track to traditional conservative values in this country. There are many up and coming republican politicians who I believe really want to change things...some who've been elected and some who are trying to get elected.

Change isn't going to come by wishing more libertarians (or insert favored party here ______) could get elected. So that's why I vote for republican party candidates. Because the party in charge controls things. And I'd rather have republicans in charge than democrats (and since there isn't a viable alternative those are my only two choices), not because the party is perfect, but because the republican part platform more closely reflects my beliefs.

See? It can be explained without all the name-calling, ridiculous rhetoric and nonsense that cujo finds so fascinating and necessary.

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Whatever. Name-calling is name-calling. He did it. I did it. You did it.

It's kinda like the old saying, "I love my country, I hate my government." I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I believe the republican party, in and of itself and separate from many in the party, is still the best option available if we want to get back on track to traditional conservative values in this country. There are many up and coming republican politicians who I believe really want to change things...some who've been elected and some who are trying to get elected.

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I don't "hate my government"; I do, however, want it to adhere firmly to the Constitution and be held accountable for misdeeds and institutional corruption, i.e. using the IRS to target the Tea Party (or any other political entity). I also believe that while the DNC is corrupt to its core, that makes it even more paramount that that the GOP rank-and-file hold the leadership to high standards and purge them ruthlessly when they get seduced by power and the perks that go along with it. I have zero tolerance for corruption, fraud, and sleaze in either party, or those who make excuses for it. We cannot get back to "traditional conservative values" in this country by turning a blind eye to debauched, compromised GOP leaders like...well, most of them to be brutally honest. And I want their sorry a$$es kicked to the curb, like Cantor's was (God bless the primary voters of his district) and the rest being put on notice that if they have GOP as their party affiliation, they damn well better embody republican principles or move on to their true calling as K Street lobbyists or white collar criminals. So I do have some common ground with Bailey Guns, despite finding his blind partisanship distasteful.

I'm sorry, but I believe your post, the first answer to the OP is what started us down the road of name calling, then others joined in when they smelled blood in the water. Possibly all of us might think about toning down our responses just a little to facilitate more informative discussions.

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Now, milwaukee, go back and read cujo's last couple of posts. Talk to me again about vulgarity and who's "rabid".

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If that's the type of person you'd want to associate with, regardless of political leanings, then we really have nothing to talk about.

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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/con...der-2014-06-21

This is crony capitalism in action. Insiders using their access for financial gain, undeterred by a plausible threat of consequences. While these small fry got popped, the 2008 financial crisis (which was deferred, not resolved) shows the systemic nature of the collusion between Wall Street, the Treasury, and the Federal Reserve, with speculative losses being transferred to taxpayers as the Fed did when it foisted $2.3 trillion in toxic-waste mortgage-backed securities from its primary-dealer banks (i.e. JP Morgan) and put taxpayers on the hook instead. Regulators and enforcers were conspicuously absent, and many of their top officials look forward to post-retirement careers with the same financial firms they're supposed to be policing. When the next asset bubble bursts, guess who's going to be left holding the bag again? Not the gamblers and swindlers, that's for sure. And neither the GOP nor DNC will put the public interest first, rest assured.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Reading your nonsense is like reading HuffPo.

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I do not take kindly to ignorant, unjustified, ad hominem smears.

I am with you. As I said maybe we all need to ratchet it down.

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Originally Posted by Cujo0920

I do not take kindly to ignorant, unjustified, ad hominem smears.

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Originally Posted by Cujo0920

I do not take kindly to ignorant, unjustified, ad hominem smears.

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So we should do as you say, not as you do?

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I do not take kindly to ignorant, unjustified, ad hominem smears.

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[ROFL2] You? get serious, based on one of your attacks on me, in another thread.

One of the typical responses when things don't go the way you want , resort to, I'M BEING ATTACKED.

I'm sure at some point you will eventually run out of colorful terms to call everyone and use your clearly advanced brain to tell us all how you actually plan to change the republicans to your liking. Or are you planning on just continuing to beat up the republicans, and prove my point. And as far as I'm concerned I will take a bad republican over any democrat. When I still had my own business I used to hire a lot of young naive loud mouths like you because it was always good to hire them while they were still young enough to know everything. Occasionally I would hire them just so I could fire them, Oh the good old days.